The Universe: Concept that could blow your mind

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    Not sure what this is supposed to mean, but it doesn't sound accurate. The physics of cause/effect aren't necessarily related to the speed of light.

    Going faster than light does break temporal "locality" (according to General Relativity). In other words from a slower-than-light-speed reference frame an effect travelling faster than light might appear to precede its cause, but in terms of physics it's still cause & effect at work (going backwards). Nothing is necessarily broken.

    I would think in physics breaking causality just refers to an uncaused event.
     
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    I've actually spent a decent amount of time thinking about what brings people together. I don't have an answer but I will say that it is fascinating thinking about everything that had to go exactly the way it did to have all of us where we are right now.
     
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    Whatever the case, either the Universe is infinitely perfect, or its infinity chaotic. I like thinking it was perfect.
     
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    In a perfect universe, knee cartilage would be repairable.
     
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    That's the thing. It is. We just haven't discovered it yet
     
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    I always thought it was phermones that really attracted us..as to the universe being perfect..I don't see it unless random uncertainty is perfection. In a perfect universe, the Blazers don't trade Andre Miller for Raymond Felton
     
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    In a perfect universe, there would be no diversity. If blue eyes are perfect, then everyone would have blue eyes. That's true for gazillions of things.
     
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    Except in our universe of perfect freedom, in which there are no true duplicates of anything.
     
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    In a perfect universe the Blazers would win the NBA title every year. Would someone please tell me how I jump to that universe?
     
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    My source is this thread that I follow (as a layman) every day (they are onto a propulsion method, the EM drive, that can get to the nearest star in 130 years). As the Ph.D.s. evolve their theories in the thread, they try to preserve conservation of momentum, to define where inertia is stored, and to not "break causality." They use the last slang phrase to mean, to not exceed faster-than-light.

    http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=37642.2320
     
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    Well you said "in physics" it means that. Not that you were referring to a slang phrase used by some speculative bloggers.

    I assume the phrase they use just refers to what I said about the implications of going faster than light in relativity.
     
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    alright Adolf Crane
     
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    What's the difference? Infinitely perfect is a quite nonsensical phrase unless you are conceptualizing specifically what you mean by it
    (one of several fatal flaws in the Ontological argument)
     
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    CrowTrobot, you sound like the type who should follow the thread I referenced. They are onto something great.
     
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    I disagree with it being nonsensical. If it's infinity perfect, eventually there will be perfection. The snowball effect. Infinity chaotic would mean, eventually the universe will expand to none life supporting. So there is meaning in this regard.
     
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    Still nonsensically vague.

    Are you trying to say an "infinitely perfect" universe will eventually snowball into a stable state maximally favorable for the development and flourishing of human life as it exists right now? That's a pretty anthropocentric view of perfection. And it's also moot because we know that's not happening.

    Ok this sort of makes sense if by infinite chaos you mean maximal entropy. And the evidence seems to be that is where this universe is headed (open expansion).

    This would make life tough, although maybe not impossible. You could say if humanity's legacy is to survive at some point we will have to, at the very least, learn how to facilitate a replenishing supply of matter and be able to manipulate it on the scale of stars, if not galaxies.
     
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    How can that be nonessential? There is already doubt that the universe may "expand to maximum entropy". At least it's not the "most certain" idea among the scientific community.

    So choosing to believe in perfection is hardly "nonessential". If that were the case, then agnosticism would be silly. In fact, agnosticism is arguably the most logical ideology.
     
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    Paging Mags!
     
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    ....we're the elves.

    This guy would be a good sci-fi writer.
     
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