<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Jun 15 2007, 02:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Jermaine O'neal is a better player then Bosh is(PFF was actually right saying that, although im sure it was more homerism) Jermaine O'neal anchored a team that made it to the finals, not to mention is a much better defender. Jermaine O'neal is showing signs of slowing down with recent injuries but I still think his offensive skillset is at least on the same level as Bosh. Bosh is a great player but unless JO's injured, id take JO anyday at this point.</div>The Pacers did jack sh*t this year. Yeah, Jermaine plays better defense, but Bosh is getting alot better at D too. I would say he's average now. Jermaine is always freaking injured; he's not reliable anymore. Chris is much better on offense as well. He's got a better jumper, he's alot quicker, so he's better at driving obviously. Jermaine can score in the paint, and he can post up...but he's declining on offense.I'd much rather have Bosh...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jun 15 2007, 06:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Pacers did jack sh*t this year. Yeah, Jermaine plays better defense, but Bosh is getting alot better at D too. I would say he's average now. Jermaine is always freaking injured; he's not reliable anymore. Chris is much better on offense as well. He's got a better jumper, he's alot quicker, so he's better at driving obviously. Jermaine can score in the paint, and he can post up...but he's declining on offense.I'd much rather have Bosh...</div>The only thing Bosh can do better is score, and its only slightly. Jermaine has been injured lately but next year he'll be fresh off rehab(and likely on a new team) and we'll see him back in form. When JO is in form, id take him over Bosh anyday. JO has taken a team to the finals, Bosh has barely won one playoff game his entire career(and it was agaist a mediocre team) If we're asking whose better today its JO. Bosh is not even an average defender. If he had guarded RJ properly maybe the Raptors would have made a series.
[quote name='PrimeTime' post='381151' date='Jun 15 2007, 06:17 PM']The only thing Bosh can do better is score, and its only slightly. Jermaine has been injured lately but next year he'll be fresh off rehab(and likely on a new team) and we'll see him back in form. When JO is in form, id take him over Bosh anyday. JO has taken a team to the finals, Bosh has barely won one playoff game his entire career(and it was agaist a mediocre team) If we're asking whose better today its JO. Bosh is not even an average defender. If he had guarded RJ properly maybe the Raptors would have made a series.[/quote] Bosh can shoot better, rebound, has better field goal percentage, has more range, and can face a man straight up better. Jermaine Oneal in his whole career has never shot better than Bosh, hes never rebounded better than Bosh, and has scored more than him one season in his whole career (by 2 points) The only think Ill give you over him is defense, and blocked shots, nothing else.Lets also put it on record, that PrimeTime knows nothing about what hes talking about. The last time the Pacers made the finals were in the 1999-2000 season. In that season, Jermaine Oneal was playing for the Portland Trailblazers. In which Jermaine Oneal played 70 games and averaged 4 points in that season. Clearly much better than Bosh right? Who in his fourth year, is averaging 22 points. [quote name='Pacers Fan Forever' post='381151' date='Jun 15 2007, 06:17 PM']Lebron, obviouslyLebron has carried his team all the way to the finals this year. He has experience under his belt, I won't be surprised if Lebron has 2 chips in the next 5 years[/quote]So in 5 years, Lebrons starting lineup will feature a 30 year old drew gooden, a 37 year old big z, and a 39 year old eric snow. Not to mention the only solid players he will have left and serviceable are daniel gibson and pavlovic. if you still think Bosh whos an up and coming star, doesn't even have a chance in 5 years, your crazy. Your also forgeting that Lebrons team got swept this year in the finals. To say that the Mavericks, Suns, Spurs, or Jazz wont win the NBA finals 3 out of 5 times the next 5 years is just absurd. Your also saying the Cleveland Cavaliers, will beat out every team in the East 2 out of the next 5 years with their only youth movement in Daniel Gibson, your more than crazy. Your just a homer.[quote name='Mr.BigShot_23' post='381151' date='Jun 15 2007, 06:17 PM']Im sorry to be honest, but you Raptors fans seem to whine about the stupidest things.The #1 thing that bugs me is when you guys still whine about VC leaving you guys. Get over it. He made the decision. Maybe he was disloyal but it happened. Its over.Now, you guys are complaining Bosh dosent get the attention he deserves? Who cares??! Personally, if I was a fan I wouldnt want him to get as much attention as Bron and Melo. The Raptors get looked at as a TEAM not Chris Bosh. All the publicity one guy gets, can be a distraction to a team. Besides, I think Bosh gets quite a bit of attention anyway.[/quote][quote name='Raptorfan#1' post='381151' date='Jun 15 2007, 06:17 PM']I cant begin to stress how much Im not stressing on Bosh not being appreciated. Im saying (correct me if Im wrong) that Chris Bosh will be in the best position to win a title in 5 years. Thats it. Im not a homer, Im not saying hes not appreciated because with that draft, he might as well never will be. Im saying, in 5 years whos get the best shot to win the title?[/quote]
I stand corrected on my ''made it to the finals'' point but my point remains valid. Jermaine O'neal has proven much more in his career and can score just as well and rebound equally as well while playing MUCH better defense.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Jun 15 2007, 07:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I stand corrected on my ''made it to the finals'' point but my point remains valid. Jermaine O'neal has proven much more in his career and can score just as well and rebound equally as well while playing MUCH better defense.</div> Your point was that he made it to the Finals, and you making Bosh inferior because he didnt. What you dont understand is that this is Bosh's first year with any real talent on his team. He lead them to an NBA best 20 game turnaround. Yet your completely oblivous to that. What your also oblivous to is that Oneal had help bosh never had, and still doesn't. On that team that made the conferance finals, he had Artest scoring 18 a game, and both HOF reggie miller and harrington scoring 10+ a game. You also factor out that Oneal played worse those playoffs than he did in the regular season, yet you still credit him for winning those games. That next season as well (2004-05) Oneal had a total of SIX (including injured artest mind you) players averaging double figures. iThen you look at those playoffs once again, and you would figure with oneal averaging 24 points and 3 others averaging 15+ and a great defensive lineup, You would wonder why they only made it to the second round right? Ill tell you why, because once again Oneal was a no show offensively as you make him out great to be. He averaged nearly 10 points less in the playoffs than in the regular season that year. yet you still figure that the pacers sucess those 2-3 years is completely based on Jermaine Oneal.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ Jun 15 2007, 07:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Bosh can shoot better, rebound, has better field goal percentage, has more range, and can face a man straight up better. Jermaine Oneal in his whole career has never shot better than Bosh, hes never rebounded better than Bosh, and has scored more than him one season in his whole career (by 2 points) The only think Ill give you over him is defense, and blocked shots, nothing else.Lets also put it on record, that PrimeTime knows nothing about what hes talking about. The last time the Pacers made the finals were in the 1999-2000 season. In that season, Jermaine Oneal was playing for the Portland Trailblazers. In which Jermaine Oneal played 70 games and averaged 4 points in that season. Clearly much better than Bosh right? Who in his fourth year, is averaging 22 points. So in 5 years, Lebrons starting lineup will feature a 30 year old drew gooden, a 37 year old big z, and a 39 year old eric snow. Not to mention the only solid players he will have left and serviceable are daniel gibson and pavlovic. if you still think Bosh whos an up and coming star, doesn't even have a chance in 5 years, your crazy. Your also forgeting that Lebrons team got swept this year in the finals. To say that the Mavericks, Suns, Spurs, or Jazz wont win the NBA finals 3 out of 5 times the next 5 years is just absurd. Your also saying the Cleveland Cavaliers, will beat out every team in the East 2 out of the next 5 years with their only youth movement in Daniel Gibson, your more than crazy. Your just a homer.</div>Are you quoting me for agreeing, disagreeing or what?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MrBigShot_23 @ Jun 15 2007, 01:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Im sorry to be honest, but you Raptors fans seem to whine about the stupidest things.Now, you guys are complaining Bosh dosent get the attention he deserves? Who cares??!</div><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Raptorfan#1 @ Jun 15 2007, 01:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I cant begin to stress how much Im not stressing on Bosh not being appreciated. Im saying (correct me if Im wrong) that Chris Bosh will be in the best position to win a title in 5 years. Thats it.</div>I dont know how much more clearer I could make this for you.
