Sessions is a top-10 PG, when defense is included. The below are Hollinger's rankings, which obviously are not as good at measuring the defensive end of the floor. I'd say he is better that Nate Robinson, Jason Terry, and Calderon - that makes him 10th best in the league. ger Stats: Player Efficiency Rating - Point Guard RNK Player GP Min TS% Ast TO Usg ORR DRR RebR PER VA EWA 1 Chris Paul, NOR 78 38.5 .599 33.4 9.0 27.9 2.8 14.6 8.7 30.04 853.2 28.4 2 Tony Parker, SAS 72 34.1 .556 23.6 8.8 30.1 1.3 9.4 5.4 23.47 457.0 15.2 3 Devin Harris, NJN 69 36.1 .563 23.9 10.6 27.4 1.4 9.7 5.5 21.65 396.3 13.2 4 Deron Williams, UTH 68 36.8 .573 34.4 10.8 25.5 1.1 8.1 4.6 21.13 378.6 12.6 5 Jameer Nelson, ORL 42 31.2 .612 25.6 9.4 22.3 1.8 10.5 6.2 20.66 188.8 6.3 6 Steve Nash, PHO 74 33.6 .615 37.6 13.0 22.0 0.9 9.2 5.2 19.55 316.9 10.6 7 Jason Terry, DAL 74 33.7 .571 15.3 7.3 23.7 1.8 6.3 4.1 19.35 310.3 10.3 8 Nate Robinson, NYK 74 29.9 .549 18.8 8.7 24.1 4.7 9.8 7.2 18.95 261.9 8.7 9 Rajon Rondo, BOS 80 33.0 .543 37.8 12.0 20.1 4.8 13.9 9.6 18.90 311.4 10.4 10 Chauncey Billups, DEN 79 35.3 .592 27.1 9.5 21.3 1.4 8.4 5.0 18.85 326.7 10.9 11 Jose Calderon, TOR 68 34.3 .613 41.5 9.8 18.1 0.8 8.9 4.9 18.80 271.7 9.1 12 Andre Miller, PHI 82 36.3 .548 27.3 10.2 21.8 4.9 9.9 7.4 18.71 342.3 11.4 13 Ramon Sessions, MIL
If you look at young (27 and under) PGs, I'd rank him right after Paul, Parker, Williams, Harris and Rondo, about equal with Nelson. Why wouldn't we want him? Can Bayless turn out to be as good? Yes. But Sessions is already there. If we can't get a SF upgrade with Bayless and parts, we could let them battle it out next year -- Bayless' stock can only go up (assuming Blake isn't here).
Helps to put it inside CODE tags... and you left off Session's stats. Code: ger Stats: Player Efficiency Rating - Point Guard RNK Player GP Min TS% Ast TO Usg ORR DRR RebR PER VA EWA 1 Chris Paul, NOR 78 38.5 .599 33.4 9.0 27.9 2.8 14.6 8.7 30.04 853.2 28.4 2 Tony Par, SAS 72 34.1 .556 23.6 8.8 30.1 1.3 9.4 5.4 23.47 457.0 15.2 3 Devin Har, NJN 69 36.1 .563 23.9 10.6 27.4 1.4 9.7 5.5 21.65 396.3 13.2 4 Deron Wil UTH 68 36.8 .573 34.4 10.8 25.5 1.1 8.1 4.6 21.13 378.6 12.6 5 Jameer Nel ORL 42 31.2 .612 25.6 9.4 22.3 1.8 10.5 6.2 20.66 188.8 6.3 6 Steve Nash, PHO 74 33.6 .615 37.6 13.0 22.0 0.9 9.2 5.2 19.55 316.9 10.6 7 Jason Ter DAL 74 33.7 .571 15.3 7.3 23.7 1.8 6.3 4.1 19.35 310.3 10.3 8 Nate Rob NYK 74 29.9 .549 18.8 8.7 24.1 4.7 9.8 7.2 18.95 261.9 8.7 9 Rajon Ron BOS 80 33.0 .543 37.8 12.0 20.1 4.8 13.9 9.6 18.90 311.4 10.4 10 Chauncey DEN 79 35.3 .592 27.1 9.5 21.3 1.4 8.4 5.0 18.85 326.7 10.9 11 Jose Cald TOR 68 34.3 .613 41.5 9.8 18.1 0.8 8.9 4.9 18.80 271.7 9.1 12 Andre Mill PHI 82 36.3 .548 27.3 10.2 21.8 4.9 9.9 7.4 18.71 342.3 11.4 13 Ramon Se MIL
False. I'm a big fan of Sessions as a player, and from watching him in numerous games. he's a BAD defender. Not Steve Blake bad, but bad. Also, one of the reasons Skiles sat him behind Ridnour a lot last season, was because Skiles felt Ridnour was a better defender. Yeah...Ridnour.
Thats great that Sessions shoots more FT'sthen Blake since Blake never drives to the hoop. That is why most of us don't want him to be our starter. Blake is bad at defense and I am not sure Sessions is much better. I like Bayless much better then Sessions at 45 mil.
If that was the case, I'd be even more disappointed with getting Sessions, especially at the price that's being thrown around here. Luke Ridnour... are you kidding me? haha.
But some people have been considering Bibby - by THAT standard Sessions is Gary Payton. What's your source on this?
Going after Sessions is easily our best move at this point. Odom will sign with LA after driving up his price to the max LA will pay. Millsap is not a bad idea and it hurts Utah. Lee is VASTLY overrated by himself, his agent and the NY media. Lee is good and would provide us with hustle and toughness but not at 5 years $50 million when we already have Aldridge. Go after Sessions hard and if possible make it a sign and trade that includes Kurt Thomas. I would rather not trade Bayless but would definitely trade Outlaw, Blake, Mills other rights to Euro's and/or picks + Cash and take back a bad contract. If we got them to S & T for Thomas and Sessions we could look to try for J-Chill if we still had time on the FA clock (when does that end?). If we got Sessions and Thomas in a Sign and Trade that would solve two problems, three if you count Outlaw as a problem (which I do). At that point we could do a lopsided trade for G. Wallace or trade Joel for Battier + picks or whatever. If we go hard for Sessions our best case scenario is: PG Sessions/Bayless/Mills SG Roy/Rudy/Bayless SF (Whatever you like of Battier Wallace or J-Chill)/Batum/Roy PF LMA/(If we try for him Landry)/Thomas C Oden/Thomas/LMA That's a pretty deep solid team through and through. Please don't talk about how amazing Joel is at back up. I am well aware of his value. I think the Joel for Battier trade is very feasible and may happen regardless. I would rather have LMA at the 5 and a competent PF (Thomas/Landry etc.) then what we had last year when LMA was at the 5 which was Channing Frye. LMA is fine as a second string center (many teams would kill for him to START at the 5) as long as he has a banger/rebounding PF to work with. Battier for Joel is a great move and we should do it if we get a back up big that can rebound and defend in the paint. If we get Sessions we can keep whoever is better between Sessions and Bayless after a year or two and trade for depth or to consolidate or even get draft picks to keep the dynasty alive. Getting Sessions would give us so many options it's amazing especially if we also get a back up big like the extremely under rated Kurt Thomas in the process! The worst case scenario of going balls out for Sessions is that we still have capspace to do a lop sided trade at the trade deadline or on draft day 2010. Go for what we need (a PG), Sessions is the best option out there that we have a shot at. I say swing for the fences and worst case scenario you stay with the current line up and lots of trade chips and cap space.
If you're saying that it doesn't mean much to get to the line more than Steve Blake then how about this. On a per minute basis, Sessions gets to the line more than Deron Williams, Chris Paul, and Tony Parker. He's in the same ballpark as Brandon Roy (5.9 vs 6.3 per 36 minutes). Bayless had a PER of 8.2 last year Blakes had PERs of 14.5, 12.0, 10.0, 14.6 the last four years. Sessions had a PER of 17.7 last year and 16.5 his rookie year. It's not very often that a second year player does that. Yeah, maybe Bayless will blossom into a better player. But given that our cap space is temporary this looks like a good place to use it.
Great stuff in there. I absolutely agree about Bayless it's possible he will be twice as good as Sessions and enter Chris Paul territory but I don't think you can bank on it. If you bring in Sessions and retain Bayless you can take whoever is better after a season or two. It would virtually guarantee that we had our PG spot taken care of for a decade. That's a nice feeling. Also Sessions getting into the paint and drawing fouls is MUCH bigger then most people realize. If he's getting in the paint and drawing fouls he is weakening their defense and maybe getting the enemy center on the bench quicker. Tell me it doesn't help Oden to play against back ups!
Exactly. Signing Sessions would be basically establishing a bottom level for Portland's long-term point guard play as the current Sessions (who's already an above average point guard). If Bayless exceeds him or Sessions blows up, then you still get to reap the rewards of that. If both prove to be assets, one can be traded for something of greater need. Good young point guards are rarely bad trade chips.
Yeah I was thinking the same thing about getting opposing centers out of the game and letting Oden wreak havoc. Also a player that gets fouled alot is a player who would create weakside offensive rebounding chances for Joel and Greg. All he usually gets out of that is a missed FGA when its as good as an assist. A problem I have with your other post and filling up the SF position with someone good is that Rudy is going to really squawk then. Where is he going to get any PT at all with SF and PG locked up leaving Roy almost exclusively at SG. It seems to me that if we go that route we probably should trade Rudy instead of Joel, as much as I'd hate that (I'd hate trading Joel too).
Yeah, I'd take signing Sessions over Turkoglu any day, and I was fairly happy with the idea of getting Turkoglu.
Well, either Rudy is going to be satisfied being a super sub who gets plenty of minutes or he's not. Besides I have him getting 25 minutes. Code: PG SG SF PF C Rudy 0 25 0 0 0 Roy 5 20 8 0 0 Battier 0 3 20 0 0 Batum 0 0 20 0 0 Sessions 23 0 0 0 0 Bayless 20 0 0 0 0 Oden 0 0 0 0 35 LMA 0 0 0 30 10 Thomas 0 0 0 18 3 Total mins 48 48 48 48 48 Rudy total = 25 min Roy total = 33 min Battier total = 23 min Batum total = 20 min Sessions total = 23 min Bayless total = 20 min Oden total = 35 min LMA total = 40 min Kurt T. total = 21 min That's a solid 9 man rotation with defense and offense in both units. I'm only playing Roy 33 mins a night but that is to keep him healthy and rested for the playoffs and to give Rudy and Battier time (not a bad thing). There is so much BB IQ on that team between Roy, Oden, Battier, Rudy and Batum it's crazy. If 25 min a night average (not including additional time for injuries isn't enough for him he will need to be moved. Don't think Houston would trade Battier for him straight up or I would gladly do that, they are hurting at SG...
I appreciate the post and for the most part I like it, but Roy has to get more than 33 minutes a game.
I wish I was as optimistic as you guys are, but I'm fairly certain Milwaukee will match any offer. I'd hate to see something else blow up in our face.
Would you say making an offer and not getting someone is worse than making no offers and getting nobody?
Does anybody think Sessions numbers will stay the same here. I think he got to put up bigger numbers because the BUcks were at times a pathetic team last year due to injuries. Detroit bit on CV numbers, I just don't want to sign sessions for 45 mil and then have Bayless eat him for lunch when training camp opens. Yes I am a big believer in Bayless, not as a pg, but as a combo guard which is what we need. I don't consider sessions 45 mil dollars better then Bayless. And please don't compare Blake to Sessions to convince me of anything, Blake is not a starting caliber pg in my book, so he should out perform him.
I have been saying from day 1 that Sessions and JBay should battle it out for 2 years then keep whoever wins that battle and trade the other...I like the passing ability that Sessions would bring to us as well as driving or kicking...Make it happen KP!
