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What should be done when a wanted pregnancy goes wrong?

  1. It is a family tragedy, they need to decide.

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  2. Every fertilized egg is human, force the woman to carry to term.

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  1. maxiep

    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    "Greetings, my friend. We are all interested in the future, for that is where you and I are going to spend the rest of our lives. And remember my friend, future events such as these will affect you in the future. You are interested in the unknown... the mysterious. The unexplainable. That is why you are here. And now, for the first time, we are bringing to you, the full story of what happened on that fateful day. We are bringing you all the evidence, based only on the secret testimony, of the miserable souls, who survived this terrifying ordeal. The incidents, the places. My friend, we cannot keep this a secret any longer. Let us punish the guilty. Let us reward the innocent. My friend, can your heart stand the shocking facts of grave robbers from outer space? "

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    Those things are DEFINITELY up to the voters. Assisted suicide? Using morphine as a painkiller? Deciding who's a legitimate doctor?

    Whether I can marry my sister? Whether I can marry two dudes? Whether I can grow cocaine on my property? Whether I wear a seatbelt?

    I think you've made a distinction where none exists.

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  4. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    As a true Libertarian (one who votes for Libertarian Party candidates) who follows the discussions of such things among other Libertarians...

    Perhaps the whole philosophy can be summed up in a single sentence. You're free to swing your fist as long as it doesn't hit someone else. Government should step in and stop that fist from hitting that other person.

    In that light, Libertarians are morally split on the abortion issue. Those who see it as murder want it outlawed. Those who don't see it as murder don't want it outlawed.

    My own reasoned view is that it is murder, and life begins at conception. It's based upon the scientific fact that the very first cell that makes up the fetus has human DNA. However, the deliberate taking of a human life is warranted under many circumstances. A soldier can kill an enemy soldier and it's not murder. The state can execute a convicted murderer, and that's not murder either. If you are physically threatened by someone, you can kill in self defense and it's not murder.

    In the case of abortion, there are two human beings' Rights in question - the mother's and the fetus'. The woman's body is her own property, and thus only by consent can the fetus remain. It's the woman's body, it's her choice. For absolutely any reason she has and she has no obligation to state it. The taking of the life is warranted, as it is a form of self defense. The law is right and clear at least on this point.

    I do oppose late term abortions. At some point the woman has effectively given consent to the fetus by carrying it for a time that is plenty for her to come to a decision to abort or not. Roe says it's 3 months, and that is fine. I'm not a big fan of Roe as a decision proper. The whole trimester logic is twisted, and generally, the decision is far beyond the scope of the court's limit of power (remedy).

    Carry on.
     

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