Notice Thibs is gone

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  1. Denny Crane

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    http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2015/05...ds-on-bulls-handling-of-tom-thibodeau-firing/

    Another guy that is plugged in nationally giving the non-Uncle-Jerry-local-media perspective.

    Its a must listen.
     
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    No...his teams consistently underachieved in the playoffs, this seasons team included.
     
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    Actually, even if you do remove GarPax, I don't think the Bulls do any substantive until Reinsdorf moves on. He's the bigger problem.
     
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    Really?

    Never this season were the Bulls favored over the Cavs to win in the playoffs. The result was as expected.

    fivetirtyeight is pretty good about their sabermetrics. It's how they got their start.

    We do realize the Bulls are the only team to beat the Cavs, even one game, in the playoffs this year?

    Atlanta, with the best record, modern offense, rested players, etc., got swept.
     
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    Reinsdorf won't "move on." He's going to pass the team to his kids so they can milk it for profit as he did.
     
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    I was a Thibs fan. The media wouldn't let the "Thibs v FO" storyline go despite the fact that neither side overtly "fed the (media) beast." Still, the relentless media pressure seemed to lock the ending in around midseason - if the Bulls didn't at least make the NBA Finals, Thibodeau was gone.

    The Bulls bowed out meekly in the second round and now Thibodeau was fired. I'm fine with it and exceedingly unsurprised.

    This said, I suppose Reinsdorf's statement and the GarPax press conference were felt to be necessary to provide management's side of the story for the benefit of the casual fan, but as a fan who pays closer attention than most, I found both the statement and the PC to be obviously self-serving and petty. In my career, I've always been a fan of taking the high road. Sometimes it takes a lot of discipline, particularly for a competitive personality, to stay on that road, but when you put your long-range glasses on, it's the right thing to do damn near every time. Really wish Bulls management felt the same.
     
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    The statement Reinsdorf released yesterday was unneeded. Gars "some success" statement was boneheaded and unneeded.

    But I don't believe his firing was wrong though. You can't lose the locker room, and from many different accounts he did. Plus, there's not much mention of it here, but local and national media have also been critical of his rotations, minutes distributions, and yesterday on the same station you were on they called his offense "antiquated." Even if it produces good stats, it's worthless if opposing defenses know how to and can shut it down with ease.
     
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    So who is the next ex-player you want to see as VP of basketball operations? Their modus operandi is well known by know.
     
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    I thought BJ Armstrong should have had the job in the first place.
     
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    Just once I'd like someone with a lot of NBA experience/success to get one of these jobs with the Bulls.
     
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    Pippen gets paid to be management's ambassador, not to tell the truth :)
     
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    Armstrong had experience and was assistant GM (for 3 years) and scout (for 2 more). Plus he's now been an agent (DRose is one of his clients).
     
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    Mark Jackson, Scott Brooks, Mike D'Antoni, Mike Woodson,, etc...
     
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    Those are coaches. Paxson is the CEO of the organization - he's got P&L responsibility.

    It's not clear that those guys would be good GMs - they've not demonstrated business skills. Even PJax is being questioned for lack of that skill.
     
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    That's why I shouldn't multitask. :D

    When I said "these", though, I was talking about the Bulls predilection for handing out jobs to people with potential, and not necessarily success -- coaches included.
     
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    Hoiberg makes $2M as a college coach. Better for the bottom line to pay him $3M than pay an accomplished NBA coach $8M+.
     
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    Plus, what NBA caliber coach would take this job?
     

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