Notice This isn't good news. Do we need to find Nurkic insurance

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  1. Denny Crane

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    It could be that it really hurts him to play. No team should force a player to play on a broken leg and through that kind of pain.
     
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    Exactly.
     
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    No, it could just be pain. Players who force themselves to play through pain can start to use unnatural motions to compensate for the pain, leading to other potential injuries. It's perfectly rational and coherent to say, "There's no increased risk of further damage to the fracture by playing, so as long as the pain isn't too great, it's not dangerous to play but only the player himself can gauge the pain level. If the pain level is too high, he doesn't play."
     
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    If it was so bad after just 17 minutes in Game 3 that he can't play in Game 4, it makes one wonder how much it was really healed. The 'talking points' from the organization is that he wouldn't be out there unless he was 100%. Really? I don't know how many times I heard that but CLEARLY, he was not and is not at 100%.

    This post has been approved by Bill Walton's feet.
     
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    I think him playing was to give the big man a taste of the playoffs. Guy's been so engaged since coming over to the team and really wanted to play. Let him go for a bit and see if he can handle the pain sorta thing. A carrot of sorts to dangle in front of him so he keeps working this summer once he's healthy.

    I'm okay with him playing Game 3, and also sitting out Game 4.
     
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    Force? Do you really think they "forced" him to play?

    Seriously.... you guys.... I can't even.....
     
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    The Bulls forced Marcus Fizer to play too soon after knee surgery. "Force" means any/all kinds of pressures.

    "You won't get playing time if you don't..."
    "We'll trade you to Detroit if you don't..."
    "We'll trade your best friend if you don't..."
    "You're killing your next contract value if you don't..."

    In Fizer's case, it looked like the latter and to potentially save Bill Cartwright's job. More specifically (as I remember it), Cartwright came out and said Fizer wasn't ready to play and a few days later management said he was and he played and screwed up his knee after too recent surgery on it.

    Note that I don't think the Blazers forced Nurk to play. He likely was willing, as all true competitors would be. But it was Stotts' choice to play him or not. DNPCD is up to the coach (hence the CD part).
     
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    Forcing him to play has nothing to do with it. They should have forced him to sit, but they didn't.
     
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    Stott's said it was Nurk's decision for game 3. It wouldn't have been his decision if he hadn't been medically cleared. He gave it a go despite the pain to give his team a boost in a must-win game.

    Even though no further damage was done in game 3, the series is essentially over now, so there's no longer a reason for him to push it.

    Seems pretty simple to me.
     
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    This isn't a knee injury guys..... stop treating it like one.
     
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    Peer pressure is a bitch. Look at it this way... you got Dame and CJ playing their guts out. Everybody is giving their all. How do you not go for it? Larry Bird said that McHale had a crack in his foot when they played the Lakers. He saw the X-Rays and that McHale is still paying for it. It's hard to turn down when so much is riding on you. We can talk all we want but we aren't in Nurkic''s place.
     
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    There are a few notable milestones in injury recovery:

    1. The injury is still healing and further use of the body part risks further damage --No competent/ethical team should ever allow a player to play at this point

    2. The injury is still healing and further use of the body part risks a set-back but not further damage --This is a complicated situation that the doctors, coach and player should all be involved in and if any party feels uncomfortable, the player should probably not play. The only circumstance that this should even be a consideration should be something like late rounds of the playoffs, where a set-back is no worse than the player simply not playing

    3. The injury is still healing and further use of the body part carries no heightened risk of re-injury or further damage but will involve discomfort --Still a complicated situation that all three of the above parties should be involved in and, again, all three should all feel positively about it. At this point, though, the player is really the main decision-maker because all players battle through minor things at times and only the player knows how much discomfort he's in. If the discomfort is high, he should be aware that he's risking different injuries due to subconsciously (or consciously) adjusting his motion to alleviate the pain.

    4. The injury is fully healed --Hooray!

    Nurkic seems to be at #3 from everything that's been reported. Either decision to play or not to play is defensible, the only indefensible position is that either choice is certainly right. It sounds like the process was reasonable--Nurkic felt sufficiently low discomfort to play, so he did. The pain began to increase, so he stopped playing and will shut it down. Nothing about that seems at all alarming or lacking sense.
     
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    That's because you're using your brain haha
     
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    The Ducks had a lineman suffer an injury this weekend. Insiders said he tore his ACL so all the fan boys shit a brick. Turns out he just pulled it. Good thing we don't have any "insiders" to the Blazers medical staff. Everybody here would be lighting their hair on fire. (The ones who still had any.)
     
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    Please, he had both stories ready to go, one where he praises Nurk for inspiring the team to victory, and one where Nurk playing was a sign the team is about to move to Seattle. He just needed to know if we won or lost the game.
     
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    That was my exact thought when I skimmed through his column. He has basically two concepts in his columns: 1. The heroic underdog overcoming all obstacles; or 2. The evil/incompetent Blazers management are screwing someone again. This issue had the ability to go either way depending on the outcome.
     
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    He probably had the articles written before game 1.
     
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    1. Pro piece.
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