Politics This video about sums it up on why I am voting for Trump

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  1. dviss1

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    Wow... So is it really the Asians like Bush said?

    Bellevue company sells 'birth tourism' to Chinese women

    http://www.king5.com/story/news/local/2015/09/22/bellevue-china-birth-tourism/72595658/

    Residents in a posh neighborhood that lines the Newcastle golf course knew there was something suspicious about two homes in the community.

    "We noticed there were a lot of pregnant women around all the time, and we thought it was a little strange," said Doug Wiviott about the home across the street from him on 155 Avenue SE.

    What neighbors were seeing were the outward signs of what may be the first business of its kind detected in Washington state.
    The KING 5 Investigators have uncovered two former "maternity houses" operated by a business registered as Fu Hua Enterprises, LLC.

    Fu Hua provides what is sometimes called "birth tourism" services. Wealthy foreigners pay tens of thousands of dollars to the company to help arrange travel visas, medical services and luxurious lodging inside the Newcastle homes.

    It's legally questionable and very profitable, according to KING 5's interviews with insiders and federal immigration officials – all of whom asked not to be identified in this story.

    This industry owes its existence to the 14th Amendment to the Constitution, which guarantees citizenship to anyone born on U.S. soil.
     
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    Hilarious. He'd make a much better president than the liar and the liar. At least he'd tell the truth.
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    Bernie Sanders is part of the DC Establishment. The one responsible for a 19 trillion dollar debt. And to prove his inability, he plans on proposing a Health Bill that will cost an additional 18 trillion tax dollars over the next 10 years. LOGIC
     
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    You keep pushing this lie.
     
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    I'll take health over the money it's going to cost to be a police state combing our private homes and forests for a few centuries, building a giant wall and risking a war with just about every country south of our border
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    What lie? Even Bernie said 2.2 trillion when he was using the 3 trillion we spend on private insurance per year (3 trillion spent, 800 billion he said he would save). Okay you're right I did lie. It will cost 22 trillion over the next 10 years.
     
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    No homework is ever done by Mags (who seems to be just like the average Trump supporter...)
    Mags, just do some research and stop buying the bullshit the liars are selling (you probably won't read this but I'll post it anyway).

    This is from Salon but so what:

    The Wall Street Journal gets whacked: How its Bernie Sanders hit piece completely backfired

    http://www.salon.com/2015/09/24/the...nders_hit_piece_completely_backfired_partner/

    Bernie Sanders is leading Hillary Clinton in early primary states, and he’s gaining on her in national polls. Major media outlets are starting to treat Senator Sanders seriously, but not necessarily with complete honesty. Take for example Laura Meckler’s article in the Wall Street Journal earlier this week. It was provocatively titled “Price Tag of Bernie Sanders’s Proposals: $18 Trillion.”

    The article starts off by dismissing Sanders’s campaign as a long-shot, and then goes on to call his proposals “the largest peacetime expansion of government in modern American history.”

    “In all” Meckler writes, “he backs at least $18 trillion in new spending over a decade… a sum that alarms conservatives and gives even many Democrats pause.”

    That estimate may give conservatives and corporate Democrats pause, but the whole article should give any reader who can do simple arithmetic pause. One red flag is that the click-bait headline makes it seem like the piece is talking about a one- or maybe two-term estimate of what Bernie’s budgets might look like. Or even more extreme; that just getting his proposals off the ground would take $18 trillion.

    But the reality is that we’re only looking at $1.8 trillion a year under Bernie’s sweeping proposals. But that’s just a little editorial sleight of hand to drive traffic to their site right? Well, not quite.

    You see, the Wall Street Journal piece cited research by Gerald Friedman, a professor of economics at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst. And there was just one small problem with their interpretation of his research. They blatantly omitted his conclusion.

    But in the age of information, major newspapers are rightfully under more scrutiny than ever. Professor Friedman saw the Wall Street Journal’s piece and responded in the Huffington Post with “An Open Letter to the Wall Street Journal on Its Bernie Sanders Hit Piece.”

    He writes that the Journal wasn’t completely wrong: the program would involve spending $15 trillion over a decade. But they left out the key detail: it would actually save the country a total $5 trillion over those 10 years. We’d see those savings in reduced administrative waste, lower pharmaceutical and device prices, and by decreasing the rate of medical inflation.

    Because the simple fact is: We, as a people, are going to spend that $15 trillion on health care anyway. The difference is that under the current model, we pay that money to private insurance companies. And those private companies have much higher levels of administrative costs, fraud and general waste than Medicare does. Another difference is that the government would be negotiating drug prices, making drugs more affordable for everyone.

    And who would see that $5 trillion in savings? Businesses for one. Along with state and local governments. Because they wouldn’t have to pay for their employees’ insurance — who’d be covered by Medicare for All.

    And individuals, like you and me, wouldn’t have to worry about co-payments and deductibles. Or worse, finding that the “affordable plan” that we choose doesn’t cover a necessary procedure.

    You see, as Bruh1 points out over at DailyKos, the Wall Street Journal presented government spending in a fundamentally dishonest way. Because what we spend can’t be separated from what we’d save by going with different policies.

    Take Bruh1’s example of shopping for a car: “You don’t buy a car by saying ‘well it would cost me 10,000 here, but the same car would cost me 7,000 there, so the price tag on the 10,000 car is too expensive.’ You say ‘it saves me 3,000 to buy from the other guy.”

    And that’s the point — it’s not $15 trillion that Bernie’s plan would cost the country, because we as a people will spend that amount, and more, on health-care costs anyway.

    It’s $5 trillion that we the people will save with Bernie’s plan — and get back — by adopting an efficient and affordable single-payer health-care for all system. And that would be good for everyone, and the economy as a whole.

    Unfortunately the Wall Street Journal’s analysis of Bernie’s proposals isn’t just another routine example of shoddy corporate journalism. It’s an example of how the corporate media tries to discredit and discard anyone who they can’t control. And that’s not just bad news for our political process. It’s also bad news for the Fourth Estate, which really should at least try to be honest in its critique of policy issues.
     
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    Even the tyrant Bush only spent 6 trillion on the 4.5 year war. That spending would be minuscule to the Healthcare bill Sanders is trying to push on us.
     
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    Lets cut through the fat here...

    Here is a form of capitalism working, not socialism
    another bait and switch to justifying taxing us more
    Common wealth.... Communism when the government decides how it runs these things. Socialism is when the people decide.
     
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    You have no idea how dangerous Trump's plan is and the expense it'll take to even attempt it...there will be more violence in America than we've seen since the Civil War..money isn't the biggest threat we're facing here but you keep harping about it. Spend money on infrastructure, education, healthcare...not isolationaism and war upon cold war. China and Russia would love to get a toehold in Latin America...Trump will give them that
     
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    pftt... We have arguably the worst foreign relations than we've ever had with the Obama administration. I would much rather have someone that actually knows how to negotiate than one that can't even negotiate bringing our U.S. soldiers back
     
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    and Bush didn't end his 6 trillion dollar war..it's still going on and being paid for
     
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    bull shitsky
     
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    If Mags was given the following offer:

    Mags, you will receive $1 billion cash, 72 virgins, and immortality. But, your taxes will go up $1.

    Mags would say "NO! TAXES BAD!"

    barfo
     
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    COMPLETE bullshit.
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    LOL, dude do you even know the trade deficits we have with other countries right now? Bullshit doesn't work... It holds no merit unless you can prove it's bullshit. Our deficits are higher than its been in a long long while.
     
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    Mags, why do you want to pay a private entity that is NOT bound by our constitution, and is ran like a dictatorship instead of paying through your taxes? This is just stupid...
     
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    dviss1

    Obama promised ObamaCare would cut costs and save the government money. Just like Sanders' promises.

    http://www.politico.com/story/2015/05/how-affordable-is-the-affordable-care-act-118428

    The cost of Obamacare could rise for millions of Americans next year, with one insurer proposing a 50 percent hike in premiums, fueling the controversy about just how “affordable” the Affordable Care Act really is.

    The eye-popping 50 percent hike by New Mexico insurer Blue Cross Blue Shield is an outlier, and state officials may not allow it to go through. But health insurance experts are predicting that premiums will rise more significantly in 2016 than in the first two years of Obamacare exchange coverage. In 2015, for example, premiums increased by an average of 5.4 percent, according to PwC’s Health Research Institute.

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/c...trillion-over-the-next-decade/article/2559276

    When Obama pitched the healthcare law to Congress, he said it would cost "around $900 billion" over 10 years. But his statement was misleading because the way the law was designed, the major spending provisions didn't kick in until 2014. This meant that 10-year estimates at the time the law was passed in 2010 were artificially low, because they included four years (2010 through 2013) in which spending was negligible.

    The new CBO analysis finds that between fiscal years 2016 and 2025, spending on the law's expansion of Medicaid will cost $920 billion and insurance exchange subsidies will cost nearly $1.1 trillion. The major spending provisions, taken together, will total $1.993 trillion.
     
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    Who elected the IRS officer that is going to make you pay for ObamaCare?
     
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    Meh. We elected the man who appointed him. If you want something different, elect another person.
     
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