<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (footswalker @ Jan 24 2008, 12:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The best part of the original post is that it notes that Collins is the Nets' 4th highest paid player. I mean... WOW. I knew he was making a ridiculous 6 mil, but didn't realize he was the 4th highest on the team. That just says it ALL right there. You don't even need to look further to see why this team is completely effed.</div> Portland is paying Steve Francis, Raef LaFrentz and Darius Miles $34M this season and $37M next season. They must be REALLY effed!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NOMAM @ Jan 24 2008, 05:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Jan 24 2008, 04:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>There are 2 sides to a negotiation, and there are logical starting points. Like Carter would had signed elsewhere for the MLE, all money being equal if the teams with cap space won't want to sign with him. So the starting amount would be over the MLE. And other factors should play in to. You are using a pretty extreme case/example. Do you think if Thorn had pressed to take a deal that was 1 million less a year, over the life of the contract, he would had signed for the MLE or less elsewhere? -Petey</div> Another logical starting point in negotiations could also have been such and such make this much around the league. Or I made this much last year but to stay in Jersey I'll take a pay cut of about 2-3 million from what I'll make next season. And maybe Thorn already negotiated the price down from a higher point during the negotiations and they both agreed on it. After all, if Carter didn't opt out of his contract he would have been paid like 15-16 million this season so he did take a pay cut this season. </div> Where have I heard that before, oh, most of the core Spurs have done that. Another thought, was there talk of VC even entertaining Magic offers? Is so would he have sniffed what Lewis got?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jan 24 2008, 06:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (footswalker @ Jan 24 2008, 12:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The best part of the original post is that it notes that Collins is the Nets' 4th highest paid player. I mean... WOW. I knew he was making a ridiculous 6 mil, but didn't realize he was the 4th highest on the team. That just says it ALL right there. You don't even need to look further to see why this team is completely effed.</div> Portland is paying Steve Francis, Raef LaFrentz and Darius Miles $34M this season and $37M next season. They must be REALLY effed! </div> they have great value on guys with rookie contracts. i'll take roy, aldridge and oden anyday!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kidd Karma @ Jan 24 2008, 06:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Where have I heard that before, oh, most of the core Spurs have done that. Another thought, was there talk of VC even entertaining Magic offers? Is so would he have sniffed what Lewis got?</div> What specifically are you referring to with what the Spurs have done? I don't know what happened between Vince and the Magic but what does seem clear was that the Nets and Vince were interested in getting a deal done with each other.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Jan 24 2008, 06:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>NOMAM, see Kidd Karma and Petey...</div> I already have replied to them. What about you? Still going to repeat the Vince fool's gold comment?
After the 2004-2005 season, Thorn could have trade Vince for a lot. That was the screw up. Vince's current contract was a given from the moment the opting out talk started. Vince wasn't going to opt out of 16 million without some assurances
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Jan 24 2008, 08:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Jizzy should post less, then I would post more.</div> I knew this thread would attract you. you just got to learn to deal with reality and get over thorn. i dont understand what benefits there are for you for being obsessed with thorn. he doesnt pay you, mister. or does he. what do you know?!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jan 24 2008, 07:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>After the 2004-2005 season, Thorn could have trade Vince for a lot. That was the screw up.</div> You can't really blame Thorn for that...I mean Jefferson had been hurt the entire season and it was looking like we were gonna add SAR to the trio of Kidd, RJ, VC and Krstic was looking like he was a future all star. I don't think there was a GM in the league that would have been looking to trade Carter with the team we had or at least thought we had.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jloc857 @ Jan 24 2008, 09:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jan 24 2008, 07:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>After the 2004-2005 season, Thorn could have trade Vince for a lot. That was the screw up.</div> You can't really blame Thorn for that...I mean Jefferson had been hurt the entire season and it was looking like we were gonna add SAR to the trio of Kidd, RJ, VC and Krstic was looking like he was a future all star. I don't think there was a GM in the league that would have been looking to trade Carter with the team we had or at least thought we had. </div> Hell yes Thorn can be blamed for that. There was a tremendous lack of vision. Any GM worth their salt wouldn't have gone after SAR or Swift (the fall back choice). The Nets weren't on the verge of a championship, but they acted like they were. The top GM's would have traded him because they would have known that there were plenty of GMs that they could have ripped off.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jan 24 2008, 07:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>After the 2004-2005 season, Thorn could have trade Vince for a lot. That was the screw up.</div> The seminal moment for the franchise. The Nets might be champions now if Thorn made the right deal.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JCB @ Jan 24 2008, 11:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Don't you just love 20-20 hindsight?</div> If you are talking about me, I was preaching that gospel then and was labeled a heretic. So it isn't hindsight from my end
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jan 24 2008, 11:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JCB @ Jan 24 2008, 11:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Don't you just love 20-20 hindsight?</div> If you are talking about me, I was preaching that gospel then and was labeled a heretic. So it isn't hindsight from my end </div> Was referring to Jizzy's original post. Honestly haven't read any other posts in this thread yet.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Jan 24 2008, 03:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Why did Kidd sign with New Jersey instead of San Antonio if both teams were offering 20 mill per year?</div> Not that it matters, but SA could only offer Kidd 90 mil while NJ offered 100+.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jan 24 2008, 11:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jloc857 @ Jan 24 2008, 09:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jan 24 2008, 07:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>After the 2004-2005 season, Thorn could have trade Vince for a lot. That was the screw up.</div> You can't really blame Thorn for that...I mean Jefferson had been hurt the entire season and it was looking like we were gonna add SAR to the trio of Kidd, RJ, VC and Krstic was looking like he was a future all star. I don't think there was a GM in the league that would have been looking to trade Carter with the team we had or at least thought we had. </div> Hell yes Thorn can be blamed for that. There was a tremendous lack of vision. Any GM worth their salt wouldn't have gone after SAR or Swift (the fall back choice). The Nets weren't on the verge of a championship, but they acted like they were. The top GM's would have traded him because they would have known that there were plenty of GMs that they could have ripped off. </div> Most top analysts thought the Nets with a healthy RJ, an emerging Nenad and the potential addition of SAR were legit championship contenders...while I will agree it would have been a great move to trade Vince I can't call it a huge mistake going with conventionaly thought. He played it safe and it didn't work out...two second round exits and now we are where we are. The bottomline is that Thorn does need to make a decision soon because his legacy is being tarnished by this disaster that has been this season.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jloc857 @ Jan 24 2008, 11:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Most top analysts thought the Nets with a healthy RJ, an emerging Nenad and the potential addition of SAR were legit championship contenders</div> Ah, don't get me started on that. I'll leave it at these same people thought McInnis was going to be a good backup for Kidd <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>...while I will agree it would have been a great move to trade Vince I can't call it a huge mistake going with conventionaly thought. He played it safe and it didn't work out...two second round exits and now we are where we are. The bottomline is that Thorn does need to make a decision soon because his legacy is being tarnished by this disaster that has been this season.</div> Thorn is too afraid to blow it up.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jan 24 2008, 11:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jloc857 @ Jan 24 2008, 11:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Most top analysts thought the Nets with a healthy RJ, an emerging Nenad and the potential addition of SAR were legit championship contenders</div> Ah, don't get me started on that. I'll leave it at these same people thought McInnis was going to be a good backup for Kidd <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>...while I will agree it would have been a great move to trade Vince I can't call it a huge mistake going with conventionaly thought. He played it safe and it didn't work out...two second round exits and now we are where we are. The bottomline is that Thorn does need to make a decision soon because his legacy is being tarnished by this disaster that has been this season.</div> Thorn is too afraid to blow it up. </div> Hey I'm with you on both points...I never liked the team chemistry in the first place and I've been asking about getting younger and deeper for a long time. You are also right...Thorn is afraid to blow it up...its one of the reasons he needs to retire.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JCB @ Jan 24 2008, 11:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Don't you just love 20-20 hindsight?</div> why cant i critcize this management?
