Time to trade CJ (1 Viewer)

[Neil O. Shyster]

What more do we need to see before realizing the Dame/CJ pairing will never work. There is just no ball movement when your 2 highest paid players play ISO ball. DEAD LAST in the entire NBA in assist 2 of last 3 years... bottom 10 every other year Dame/CJ has started together. Then you add in the defensive deficiencies of an 6’ 3 and under backcourt. There are better ways to use the salary cap resources then $30+ mil per year to CJ over the next 4 years. Dame will be 30 next season... if we don’t try something new now, we will waste Dame’s time in Portland... very sad.

 

[KSF-ERIC]

Actually, 2 players who can ISO are better than 1 player that can ISO. Options are a good thing. You want a SG who CAN'T get his own shot? That would help us? Less is not more in this case.

 

[Tince]

Nobody is going to want his contract.

 

[Neil O. Shyster]

Actually, 2 players who can ISO are better than 1 player that can ISO. Options are a good thing. You want a SG who CAN'T get his own shot? That would help us? Less is not more in this case.

Not when CJ is unwilling to pass... less is definitely more in this case.

 

[Neil O. Shyster]

If Dame and CJ, getting paid around 80 mil per year the next 4 season are not good enough to at least lead a team to respectability, maybe they are not worth that much money?? Neil will never admit he is wrong.

 

[Bruno_Sabino]

Trying change the coach first then trade CJ

 

[Sheldon Shape]

I'd really like to give our backcourt guys a new coach with a new outlook. And, I'm not even the biggest CJ fan. I'd certainly be willing to trade him but not if that means a loss on return.

 

[Tince]

If Dame and CJ, getting paid around 80 mil per year the next 4 season are not good enough to at least lead a team to respectability, maybe they are not worth that much money?? Neil will never admit he is wrong.

It would not be a wise move to say that players you just signed to an extension are overpaid, so I think it's safe to say he wouldn't admit he's wrong. Even if he thought we bet against ourselves and overpaid, he'd blame it on the fact that Portland can't sign free agents.

 

[wizenheimer]

I would not be a wise move to say that players you just signed to an extension are overpaid, so I think it's safe to say he wouldn't admit he's wrong. Even if he thought we big against ourselves and overpaid, he'd blame it on the fact that Portland can't sign free agents.

signing CJ to that bloated extension last summer was Paul Allen's fault...imagine green font

 

[tester551]

Actually, 2 players who can ISO are better than 1 player that can ISO. Options are a good thing. You want a SG who CAN'T get his own shot? That would help us? Less is not more in this case.

No one is suggesting getting a player who CAN'T iso. Just trade CJ for a player who's 1st, 2nd, and 3rd thoughts are not iso

 

[Tince]

signing CJ to that bloated extension last summer was Paul Allen's fault...imagine green font

RIP Mr Allen

 

[joeBlazers]

Can someone teach/force CJ to actually pass? I can't believe he once had a triple double. Imagine that. CJ with 10 assists.

 

[wizenheimer]

No one is suggesting getting a player who CAN'T iso. Just trade CJ for a player who's 1st, 2nd, and 3rd thoughts are not iso

that's one thing....for me, the another thing is that Portland needs a player who isn't so redundant with Dame. The two of them are too similar in style, size, ball dominance, tendencies, and weak defense. This is the 5th season that they've been back court partners, and I think Dame has better synergy with Whiteside after 35 games and Melo after 23 games than he does with CJ after 490 games. And the same was true with Nurkic after his first 20 games as a Blazer. Dame & Matthews had a much better mesh than Dame & CJ. the biggest difference is that Dame carries the team a bunch and makes teammates better, while CJ only makes himself better

I've wanted CJ traded for years and a significant chunk of my Olshey disdain is Olshey's ridiculous fucking man-love for CJ. That CJ extension was just a bad idea, but I knew Olshey was going to do it no matter what, just like he was determined to give Meyers that extension in 2015 & 2016

so that almost certainly means that in order for CJ to be traded, Olshey's ass needs to be fired. Likely won't be happening soon, but you never know what will percolate out of the Vulcan office up north

anyway, I'd like to see CJ traded and I think it would be a mistake to insist it was an equal talent for talent equation, if you could even set those parameters. Sometimes, sacrificing some talent for a better fit is the way to go. And I think Portland is so far gone down a wrong path that it may very well be they need to take some steps back before they can steps forward.

 

[barfo]

I got it, we trade CJ for Stotts. CJ would have rapport with his players, and Stotts has good height for a guard.

barfo

 

[blazerfan11]

The problem with CJ and Dame is somewhat that they're redundant, but to me it's more that neither is a really good defender for his position, let alone be able to defend multiple positions like a Klay Thompson can do.
If CJ was 6'6" and played like Joe Johnson on offense and Klay Thompson on defense, I think that would work even if the offense was redundant.

With CJ being how big he is, the Blazers lose the option of effectively switching on defense as well as having a good defender against shooting guards.

What the Blazers really need is a /some guys who can dribble, shoot and defend multiple positions. We hoped Evan Turner could have been that guy but it didn't pan out. Those guys are hard to get which could be why Olshey gave him the big money and hoped it would work.

 

[tlongII]

Outside of Whiteside we might have the worst frontcourt in the league. But somehow you think trading CJ is the answer. Alrighty then.

 

[wizenheimer]

Outside of Whiteside we might have the worst frontcourt in the league. But somehow you think trading CJ is the answer. Alrighty then.

here's an idea then...trade CJ for a front court player and balance the roster a lot better

 

[Neil O. Shyster]

Outside of Whiteside we might have the worst frontcourt in the league. But somehow you think trading CJ is the answer. Alrighty then.

Maybe because Neil blew his wad on CJ and there is no money left to improve the frontcourt. And Whiteside is 1st in blocks, 4th in rebounds, 6th in PER, 8th in FG... if Neil used CJ’s money on SF/PF this would be a much better team. DEAD LAST in the NBA in assist due to the ISO ball duo.

 

[tlongII]

here's an idea then...trade CJ for a front court player and balance the roster a lot better

And who is this mythical frontcourt player you suggest trading CJ for?

 

[Neil O. Shyster]

And who is this mythical frontcourt player you suggest trading CJ for?

Yes, after 5 years it is mythical to think there would be any frontcourt player that would fit this team better than CJ..

 

[Terry Stotts]

Outside of Whiteside we might have the worst frontcourt in the league. But somehow you think trading CJ is the answer. Alrighty then.

I may be a dumb man, but clearly some of these guys are even dumber.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Maybe because Neil blew his wad on CJ and there is no money left to improve the frontcourt. And Whiteside is 1st in blocks, 4th in rebounds, 6th in PER, 8th in FG... if Neil used CJ’s money on SF/PF this would be a much better team. DEAD LAST in the NBA in assist due to the ISO ball duo.

There is a ton of money available for a front court player. We'll have to trade for that player.

Don't fool yourself into thinking we could sign a top 20 front court player as a free agent. Never happen.

Overpaying those players was exactly what needed to happen so that we can trade for any player, at any salary, in the league.

 

[Terry Stotts]

... if Neil used CJ’s money on SF/PF this would be a much better team.

Like, on, Andrew Wiggins? Or Porter? Or maybe Kevin Love?

 

[wizenheimer]

And who is this mythical frontcourt player you suggest trading CJ for?

well, you were just opposed to trading CJ when you showed up in this thread....why should I have to name a player to trade him for when you just showed up opposed to trading him at all? How about this...the mythical front court player is a SF who doesn't score as much as CJ (or dribble as much) but shoots fairly well, plays good defense, and has quite a bit lower salary & shorter contract

but I'll play anyway...I'd probably trade CJ for Covington, Dieng, and a 1st. I might trade CJ for Tobias Harris, even though I hate Harris's contract as much as CJ's...but maybe not on 2nd thought. I might trade CJ for Aldridge and a 1st, but the Spurs wouldn't. As long as we're in San Antonio, I'd probably trade CJ for Derozan. CJ for Justice Winslow and Kelly Olynyk? Otto Porter is a SF that was interesting but he may have serious issues with his foot

problem is I think CJ's contract is not one other teams are going to see positive value in, and CJ as a player has too many weaknesses, so getting good value for him will be a challenge. But at the least, the Blazers should be exploring all trade options for CJ but you know Olshey isn't.

 

[TBpup]

CJ was a whopping -31 tonight. What in the name of Nolan Smith is going on here?

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

here's an idea then...trade CJ for a front court player and balance the roster a lot better

Then theyd have a crappy back court, instead?

 

[wizenheimer]

Then theyd have a crappy back court, instead?

who cares if they have a good 3&D SF while climbing a ways out of the salary hole CJ puts them in....

too bad the Warriors didn't have the same overwhelming reluctance to break up the ball dominant, undersized, back court of Curry and Monta

besides all that, Neil says Simons is the most gifted athlete he's ever drafted, so SG should be fine

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

who cares if they have a good 3&D SF while climbing a ways out of the salary hole CJ puts them in....

too bad the Warriors didn't have the same overwhelming reluctance to break up the ball dominant, undersized, back court of Curry and Monta

besides all that, Neil says Simons is the most gifted athlete he's ever drafted, so SG should be fine

Im not saying Im against trading CJ, I just think it takes a peg and plugs it into another hole, and creates another If its a 1 for 1 trade for a SF/PF.
Also I might be the only one I dont know, but While I see potential here and there in Simons, I think he’s quite aways off from being a good NBA player.

 

[wizenheimer]

Im not saying Im against trading CJ, I just think it takes a peg and plugs it into another hole, and creates another If its a 1 for 1 trade for a SF/PF.
Also I might be the only one I dont know, but While I see potential here and there in Simons, I think he’s quite aways off from being a good NBA player.

the strength of the NBA is at SF...that's the position that wins championships most often and is named MVP of the finals more. If the choice is being weak at SG or being weak at SF, I'd prefer to be weaker at SG. I think that's especially true considering the defensive versatility good SF's bring to the floor.

 

[tester551]

Im not saying Im against trading CJ, I just think it takes a peg and plugs it into another hole, and creates another If its a 1 for 1 trade for a SF/PF.
Also I might be the only one I dont know, but While I see potential here and there in Simons, I think he’s quite aways off from being a good NBA player.

Ideally, they should've traded CJ last summer after resigning Hood.

A Hood/Dame backcourt is nice... but obviously Hoods achilles blew up