I think I've made it pretty clear about the sources of where I get the information to form my opinions. But when I refer to "news clips", please pick a network. Any network. I can watch a clip of Trump on ABC, change the channel to NBC and/or CBS (or even Fox!) within minutes and see the exact same clip with Donny spewing the exact same garbage. Please don't tell me that all four of those networks got together to cobble up false news clips with Trump in them, then passed them amongst themselves???!!!???? Or that they bought fake news from CNN or any other news outlet and broadcast it as truth. The national media can be pretty screwy sometimes, but they aren't THAT screwy. The only other answer is that what I've based my opinions on is the truth......or at least largely grounded in the truth. I only had to watch the debates to have my longstanding distaste for the guy justified. For whatever it is worth, I have loathed Trump for decades, ever since I became aware of him. I have always found him and his ego to be a very large part of why this country has gone to hell. To think that this particular sociopath will "make America great again" is utterly ludicrous. I know the difference between rain and someone pissing on my leg.......
What "garbage"? His rants on Twitter? Trust me, I've argued with people on the Right about what I think of his use of Twitter, and it's not pretty. No, I don't think that. However, I also know that they are perfectly capable and willing to cut sound-bites and cherry-pick what he says but, most importantly, make biased ASSUMPTIONS about what he MEANS, rather than what he actually SAYS. They do this ALL the fucking time, and even you have to agree with that. The Debates? Seriously? Do you have any idea how much sheer bullshit is spewed by both sides during the Debates? Hell, entire campaigns are built on total bullshit. Start looking at what he's doing for businesses in this country, and what he's doing going forward...instead of what he said during a debate last year. To be honest, even though I voted for him, I'm only about 60% supportive of him. Because I'm actually willing to give him a nonjudgmental chance to show us what he can do this year, BEFORE I make a decision about him. This country went to hell because Obama pandered to elitists and celebrities, and the Democrats enabled the whiny, entitled "Snowflake" culture, instead of listening to We The People. Just my opinion. Not even three months into his 4 year tenure, and you're utterly convinced of this, huh? Whatever. I'm willing to give him a year to show us what he's got, before I make up my mind about him. Stop pissing on your leg.
Hmm. What Trump apologists usually say is the opposite. That we aren't supposed to take what he SAYS literally, but we are supposed to take it "seriously". So I guess if you put the two together, the advice is to just not pay any attention to him at all? barfo
Wrong. They say that you aren't supposed to make ASSUMPTIONS about what he means. Especially if all you have is a 2 minute youtube clip from a 56 minute speech (example). Why don't you actually go TALK to one of those "apologists", and then get back to me. Instead of making more assumptions about what everyone thinks of them and what they believe. Christ. If the Liberal Left didn't assume so much with so much arrogance, they would have won this election in a landslide. Arrogance is indeed their downfall.
What is the point of listening to him if you don't try to understand what he means? You just like the sound of his voice? barfo
It's easy. All you have to do is listen to ALL that he has to say, without cherry-picking and without making assumptions of the meaning of his words by using dumbass logic like "I don't like him", or "he has his hand on the nuclear button", or something equally stupid. It's fine if you don't like the guy. But at least listen to him with your own ears, and keep an open mind.
I've listened to him talk a lot. Many hours worth. The best hours. Believe me. And he says a lot of really stupid stuff. He doesn't know much of anything about most subjects, and doesn't care to learn. He's paranoid and delusional. And inarticulate. barfo
Some people are confused about how Christians could be fans of Trump, given that he goes against pretty much everything Christ says, and is also a twice-divorced child-ogling serial groper, but I think I've cracked it. 1. Christians have been taught their whole lives that their God is a petty narcissist who demands worship or he'll punish you. You must be devoted to him, and despite the fact that he is hugely powerful, you can also let him down, and his supporters have to stick up for him in the face of the filthy unbelievers. 2. Christ speaks only in parables that you can interpret any way you choose. And if your interpretation goes contrary to somebody else's, that's fine, you're both right, so long as you remember that Christ is the living God. Your interpretation is "true for you". Those who take it as bad, are simply bad themselves. The Bible can't be contradictory, so all those people pointing out what they claim to be patent contradictions are lying and evil and ganging up on good Christians. Sound familiar?
Seriously. Here is my take. Trump his entire life has been surrounded by people whose livelihoods depended on giving him everything he wants. And telling him he can take (like grabbing women). Throw in he's a bully and no one apparently ever tried to control the bullying. So, he runs for president and taps into a vein of discontent with people who feel like the country is getting away from them. He is a showman and learned that the more vicious, vulgar, offensive, insulting he got, the better they liked him because he provided an "enemy", the one to blame for everything wrong, as well as a "savoir", himself - "Only I can save you". I think he may have figured the presidency was like Aladdin's magic lamp. Rub the lamp, replace the Affordable Care Act with "something wonderful". I hear and obey, Master. Rub the lamp, "defeat ISIS". I hear and obey, Master. Only governing is not like that. He really had no clue how to govern. So the only actual agenda is that of the hard line right (pollution, no rights for gays, no birth control, no health care, no Medicare, etc.) and that is not popular. His executive orders are characterized by increasing viciousness and cruelty. And that is not popular. How can this be? Everyone is supposed to love him, he is the best. So he has to insist, contrary to fact, he got the biggest electoral victory, he lost the popular vote due to millions of illegal voters, his inauguration crowd was the biggest, etc. When millions protest, they must be organized and paid by George Soros and bused around the country. When pro-Trump rallies are tiny, because it's a cult, not a movement, when he continues to get more unpopular, it is never his fault. He is never responsible. It must be because Obama is still pulling strings behind the scene. He is the best, the smartest, the greatest, and anything or anyone that says other is fake news and a conspiracy against him. Truman famously said the buck stops here, meaning himself as president, for Trump the buck always has and always will stop elsewhere. The generals. The intelligence service. The media. George Soros. Obama. Someone else will always be responsible for his failures and he is failing spectacularly.
More hand-wringing bullshit based on ASSUMPTIONS, instead of FACTS, LOGIC, and REASON. Once again, it seems someone here on S2 has to be the voice of reason....so let's break down this load of crap: -Nowhere has he said that he supports pollution, nor has there been shown proof that we are going to become more polluted by rolling back regulations. In fact, he's even said that he's open to regulations, as long as we continue to roll old ones back. Not every regulation is good for the economy, and not every regulation is to protect the environment. -He's repeatedly said that gay rights are already on the books, and will remain there. He's also the first candidate in history to be seen holding the LGBT flag. Ever. -He's cutting funding for planned parenthood. Boo hoo. If you want an abortion, go pay for it yourself. Same with birth control. Nobody is taking those away, nor the right to purchase them. And if you can't afford them, then you have no business having a child in the first place. -He's opening up the Free Market, and allowing THE PEOPLE to decide what kind of healthcare THEY NEED, rather than what the GOVERNMENT WANTS them to have. -Medicare will still be here. They are simply going to be more thorough about who gets it and why. So all in all....ONCE AGAIN....this is all a bunch of whiny assumptions without any facts. Christ, I wish you people would stop this nonsense.
If you can't afford birth control, you have no business having a child? Does that actually make sense to you? barfo
Absolutely. I mean, really? If you can't afford birth control, then you likely can't afford diapers, baby formula, essential child care products, etc etc. It is extremely expensive to raise a child. And don't even get me started on child health care....unless you expect tax payers to pay for that too.... Why is that wrong?
It's not wrong, you are just missing the point. Yes, kids are much more expensive than birth control. That's why you should want to provide free birth control to those who can't afford it. So they don't have kids that you have to pay for. barfo
bullshit....let's break down this load of cherry picked crap......I listened to all his debates and speeches I could handle....he's a liar...pathological liar. you want to do Trump damage control...it's your choice...but don't fool yourself that by hating liberal talking points you are the voice of reason....if you think environmental regulations don't curb pollution, well you might want to start there.....or move to a country without an EPA and buy imported bottled water so you can safely drink it. Ignoring pollution will turn us into a 3rd world country real fast. You can make a lot of money buy burying toxic waste in your own backyard on commission or maybe your neighbors will...big bucks...short life span
That's the dumbest fucking logic I've ever heard. I have to pay for someone's birth control because they can't exercise a little self discipline? What's next? Will my tax dollars have to pay for alcohol sensors to be hooked up inside of cars because some people are irresponsible when they drink? Speaking of cherry-picked logic.... The EPA still exists. Pull your panties back up.
You apparently haven't listened to Trump much....but you've admitted yourself that the joy you get in these debates is being contentious...insulting everyone equally from your own words...just haven't seen much equality in your insults when it comes to politics.....or feminism
Please try not to be spectacularly naive. OF COURSE we'll get more pollution by rolling back regulations. WHY DO YOU THINK WE GOT THE REGULATIONS IN THE FIRST PLACE? Remember how Lake Erie was effectively dead? Remember rivers catching fire? London's famous "pea soupers" were smog, not fog and have only disappeared because of clean air acts. And IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER that he doesn't say he supports pollution, it's what he does that matters, and one of his very first acts was to allow coal companies to dump into rivers. You think that now they're able to, they just won't? "We just hated that we were being TOLD not do do it, but now it's off the books we'll refrain out of the goodness of our hearts"? He has SAID everything. He will say what he thinks his audience wants to hear. He's even admitted this in his books! If the New York Times is interviewing him, he comes across as a centrist. If he's at one of his rallies, he's a tinpot Mussolini. He's a sleazy salesman - THAT'S WHAT THEY DO. What we're worried about is that he is surrounded by people who actually HAVE ideologies and agendas. You know, like Mike Pence, who is one of the most virulently anti-gay politicians there are in America. Or Steve Bannon who is an actual fascist. Or Steve Miller who is an actual White Nationalist. Or all the other guys who are billionaires licking their chops over raping the corpse of America. He's just a useful stooge that you can keep happy to get what you want.
This is the Trump Voter in a nutshell: EVERYBODY'S COMING FOR MY STUFF! I would be RICH and SAFE if it wasn't for THEM! They're DIRTY, they want SHARIAH LAW, they're TAKING MY JOB, they're making me PAY FOR THEIR STUFF, with money that SHOULD BE MINE! Here's a radical thought: humans are flawed. They make mistakes. They get sick. It is the government's job to recognize that and try to maintain a good standard of living for all its citizens. YOU would be paying pennies. If you can't afford it, then guess what? You fall below the line where you would contribute ANYTHING. If you can afford it but don't want to, well, the choice is paying a fuckload MORE to pay for the kids that will happen anyway (because AMAZINGLY ENOUGH, you lecturing them on their lack of self control won't shock them into not having sex) or hunting the kids for sport. Given your gun fetish, I guess I know which one you're hoping for.
Insulting the logic you use is NOT insulting YOU. Get over yourself. There's nothing wrong with expecting people to pay for themselves, instead of using my tax dollars for their irresponsible behavior. Some people expect the government to carry them, despite their poor lifestyle choices. I don't. The government wants money. ....and cleaner burning fuels and more efficient cars and heating and energy sources. Which are things that wouldn't be possible if we regulate companies that develop such things out of existence. And what has he done that's so terrible? -Disbanded the EPA? Nope. -Given companies free license to dump waste wherever the want? Nope. -Told corporations that they can go back to using coal powered furnaces on production lines? Nope. -Increased child labor? Nope. Bullshit. You better have PROOF that companies are actually doing this. More hand-wringing bullshit that is emotional and not based on logic or reason. GASP! You mean, politicians in Washington have AGENDAS?! SAY IT AIN'T SO! LMAO. Where the hell was this concern during Obama's regime? Wrong again. And I've already written extensively about this in the past, using facts, backed-up data, and what he ACTUALLY did. Go do your research. Ah, I see. So.....according to you, me wanting to keep my money in my own pocket, and decide which politician best uses my tax dollars....means that I want to hunt children for sport. This is an EMOTIONAL argument. Not a logical one. Grow up. There is nothing wrong with wanting to have control over where my money goes, and electing the people who I think will spend my tax dollars best. The government can maintain proper standards of living just fine by focusing on infrastructure and making it easier to get jobs. And part of that includes making it simpler for corporations to expand employment and job opportunities. Let ME decide what I want to do with my own healthcare, and what I want to have coverage on. I don't need the government intruding there. Same with everyone else. The tax payers shouldn't be responsible for things like sex change operations (Chelsea Manning) and abortions. That's ludicrous and asinine. This needs to start with proper education in schools (and at home) about the responsibilities of creating a child in today's society, and the costs of such a decision. If you can't afford birth control, then you can't afford a child. It's that simple.
