<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jun 6 2006, 08:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Except he never bangs inside, he is a bad defender, is a finesse center insterad of a banger. Take Marcus Camby. He will give you 16, 11 or 12 boards, 2 blocks and play outstanding defense and bang inside. Camby>Okur easily. Along with guys like Big Z, Brad Miller and some others..</div>12 boards, 3 blocks and 1.6 steals :happy0144:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jun 6 2006, 03:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Except he never bangs inside, he is a bad defender, is a finesse center insterad of a banger. Take Marcus Camby. He will give you 16, 11 or 12 boards, 2 blocks and play outstanding defense and bang inside. Camby>Okur easily. Along with guys like Big Z, Brad Miller and some others..</div> Mehmet Okur is a very tough player, just because he shoots from the outside doesn't mean he's a soft player, thats why Sloan was much happier with him this season. I would put Camby ahead of Okur but Camby is constantly injured. Okur is a better player than Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Mehmet is much quicker, is a more well rounded offensive player and is worlds ahead of Big-Z on defense and rebounding. And don't get me going on Brad Miller, the most overrated center in all of basketball, the only thing Miller has on Mehmet is his supurb passing skills.
Mehmet isnt abanger, and he isnt a good defender either. I have no idea why you hav ehim over Big Z or Brad Miller. But hey, if you like centers that can just shoot the ball on offense, go for it.
But he doesn't, he has a few impressive post moves but you can continue to spew stereotypes about him, considering you have probably never watched him play I don't think you know how much he's improved. I watched him three times this year and his defense is much better than he's given credit for. People see a big white european and automaticly think = poor defense. He scores as much as Big-Z, rebounds more, he's much quicker, much better defender and rebounder. Other than blocking and passing Zydrunas has nothing on him.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LBJ @ Jun 6 2006, 10:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>1.Amare2. Ming3. Camby4. O'Neal5. Wallace6. Big Z7. Miller8. Magloire9. Curry10. Kaman</div>Amare 1st? LMAO hes been injured.2. Ming, I aree3. Camby, partially agree4. O'Neal? 1st all team and you put him 4th.5th. Ben Wallace, too low6. Big Z, good7. Brad Miller, under Big Z because Brad miller passes more than he rebounds, etc.
How can you not have Mehmet Okur in your top 10? It's ridiculous. He's lightyears better than Eddy Curry.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jun 6 2006, 06:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Mehmet isnt abanger, and he isnt a good defender either. I have no idea why you hav ehim over Big Z or Brad Miller. But hey, if you like centers that can just shoot the ball on offense, go for it.</div>okay, your bashing Memo for not being a "banger".. what the hell do you think big z and brad miller are?? Neither of them play inside very much, either. Okur plays as much in the post as Brad or Z does. Stop arguing if you have no clue what you're talking about.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nba dogmatist @ Jun 7 2006, 12:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>okay, your bashing Memo for not being a "banger".. what the hell do you think big z and brad miller are?? Neither of them play inside very much, either. Okur plays as much in the post as Brad or Z does. Stop arguing if you have no clue what you're talking about.</div>Are you kidding? Big Z plays in the post 3/4 of the time. He is always in there looking for the ball in the post. He scores alot of inside points. Brad Miller shoots quite a bit, but he still scores inside quite a bit.
Big Z plays around the free throw line, he is not much of a banger. Okur can knock down any shot on the floor, i'd take that versatlity over anyone. Brad Miller is one of the most overated Centers in the NBA.
Brad Miller is overrated, but he passes the ball, scores points, he can shoot and he gets rebounds. He is very valuable even though he doesnt play a lick of defense.And Big Z scores alot of his points fromt he post. He uses his height and soft touch to put it up over the defender.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jun 7 2006, 11:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Are you kidding? Big Z plays in the post 3/4 of the time. He is always in there looking for the ball in the post. He scores alot of inside points. Brad Miller shoots quite a bit, but he still scores inside quite a bit.</div>BS. Z gets most of his points from midrange shots off the pick and roll or putbacks. He is not a 'banger'. Memo plays inside as much as Brad, if not more.
I can tell CB4 doesn't watch many non Raptor games. Big Z does not play inside most of the time. He gets alot of his points of short midrange jump shots. Okur has been a banger all season. He toned down his shooting and started working in the paint. He has some sweet post moves I might add.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nba dogmatist @ Jun 7 2006, 03:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>BS. Z gets most of his points from midrange shots off the pick and roll or putbacks. He is not a 'banger'. Memo plays inside as much as Brad, if not more.</div>When did I say he was a banger? I see quite a bit of Cavs games actually. I saw about 5 of them this regular season, not including the post season. Big Z sets of position and then puts the ball into the basket with an up and under or something. He is not a banger, but he does play inside a fair bit. Memo, I dont know. He has only had success for one season, so I wouldnt put him over Z at this point. About the defense, Big Z uses his height to alter shots. He is a bit slow, but not a bad defensive player.
hey guys guess what? okur isn't a center. there is no way you can say that shaq plays the same position as this bafoon. he shoots from the perimeter and he'll never bang inside. HE'S NOT A CENTER!!!!!!
What the hell kind of post is that. Okur is not just a one year wonder imo. Every year his playing time increases, and with that his stats increase. He is just a great player with a great offensive feel for the game.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nykfan4life @ Jun 7 2006, 08:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>hey guys guess what? okur isn't a center. there is no way you can say that shaq plays the same position as this bafoon. he shoots from the perimeter and he'll never bang inside. HE'S NOT A CENTER!!!!!!</div> Um, yes he is. So players who don't play the 'traditional way' aren't considered because they are different? Up to this point Dirk Nowitzki has scored mostly in the perimeter, is he not a power forward because he doesn't play inside like Tim Duncan? Give me a break. Coming from someone who's probably never watched him play, I don't take anything you say seriously.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jun 7 2006, 01:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>When did I say he was a banger? I see quite a bit of Cavs games actually. I saw about 5 of them this regular season, not including the post season. Big Z sets of position and then puts the ball into the basket with an up and under or something. He is not a banger, but he does play inside a fair bit. Memo, I dont know. He has only had success for one season, so I wouldnt put him over Z at this point. About the defense, Big Z uses his height to alter shots. He is a bit slow, but not a bad defensive player.</div>You were bashing Okur for not banging inside, and since you were backing up Ilgauskas, you implied that he did bang inside. Big Z is a midrange guy. period.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nykfan4life @ Jun 7 2006, 03:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>hey guys guess what? okur isn't a center. there is no way you can say that shaq plays the same position as this bafoon. he shoots from the perimeter and he'll never bang inside. HE'S NOT A CENTER!!!!!!</div> you are so ignorant. You don't have to be a shotblocker or a low post player to be a center. And yes, Okur does play inside some. So stop bullshitting and get your facts straight.
