Big Z is not a mid range guy. He plays inside a lot. Believe it or not. I'm not gonna try again to force it through your mind, so this is probably my last post in this thread.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kingjamez @ Jun 7 2006, 06:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What the hell kind of post is that. Okur is not just a one year wonder imo. Every year his playing time increases, and with that his stats increase. He is just a great player with a great offensive feel for the game.</div>when did i question his scoring ability? i said he's not a center. do you understand basketball? center are the big men that block shots, rebound, score INSIDE etc.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>you are so ignorant. You don't have to be a shotblocker or a low post player to be a center. And yes, Okur does play inside some. So stop bullshitting and get your facts straight.</div>no i'm not ignorant but i think i can tell if a player is a center or not. REAL centers don't play "inside some" shaq is the perfect example of a center. he plays inside ALL THE TIME. mehmet plays inside sometimes but mostly the perimeter. you don't have to be a shotblocker to play center or be a low post scorer? let's go back in time to when we had REAL centers shall we? ok first off, patrick ewing. he played in the low post and yea he did take some shots from the perimeter but he did go inside alot. he was also one of the best shotblockers in the nba with about 2.5 a game. hakeem the dream, like ewing played a little on the outside but mostly inside and blocked 3 per game. david robinson, probably the nicest guy to ever play in the game had 3 blocks per game. my point? compare okur to these guys. what do they have in common? well they all did block a shot once in their career. okur just blocks .9 a game :HAHAHA:<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ Jun 7 2006, 07:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Um, yes he is. So players who don't play the 'traditional way' aren't considered because they are different? Up to this point Dirk Nowitzki has scored mostly in the perimeter, is he not a power forward because he doesn't play inside like Tim Duncan? Give me a break. Coming from someone who's probably never watched him play, I don't take anything you say seriously.</div>ok mr spam
god you're an idiot. Just bc they are not a stereotypical Center doesn't mean they aren't a Center. Just bc Okur can play outside doesn't mean he is a forward. You can think of as many examples as you can, but you still can't tell me where it says you have to play in the post to be a center.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nba dogmatist @ Jun 8 2006, 12:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>god you're an idiot. Just bc they are not a stereotypical Center doesn't mean they aren't a Center. Just bc Okur can play outside doesn't mean he is a forward. You can think of as many examples as you can, but you still can't tell me where it says you have to play in the post to be a center.</div>i just told you mr. i'm too smart to admit i'm wrong when the facts are right in front of me. basketball analysts have been saying for years how the nba has so few centers nowadays. i mean i don't know what else to tell you besides what i said. get it through your thick skull idiot. okur is and never will be considered a center. if he finishes his career with a 20 and 11 average he'll be thought of as a great power forward.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nykfan4life @ Jun 8 2006, 11:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>when did i question his scoring ability? i said he's not a center. do you understand basketball? center are the big men that block shots, rebound, score INSIDE etc.ok mr spam </div>Okur does score inside, but he also has the versatility to score outside? Does that mean hes not a center? No. I never said you questioned his scoring ability. I was stating thats his most importent part of his game. Why don't you listen to BCB's post instead of bitching about spam. He's trying to make a point, and so am I. You think just because he has the ability to shoot from the perimeter he is a forward. Your wrong. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>hey guys guess what? okur isn't a center. there is no way you can say that shaq plays the same position as this bafoon. he shoots from the perimeter and he'll never bang inside. HE'S NOT A CENTER!!!!!!</div>Okur isnt a center because he doesnt bang like shaq? Who the hell bangs like Shaq. Hes f*cking 310 pounds of rock solid muscle. Nobody in the league can bang around like him. And check the stats buddy. He is 10th in the league in total rebounds. He obviously bangs down low.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kingjamez @ Jun 8 2006, 12:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Okur does score inside, but he also has the versatility to score outside? Does that mean hes not a center? No. I never said you questioned his scoring ability. I was stating thats his most importent part of his game. Why don't you listen to BCB's post instead of bitching about spam. He's trying to make a point, and so am I. You think just because he has the ability to shoot from the perimeter he is a forward. Your wrong. Okur isnt a center because he doesnt bang like shaq? Who the hell bangs like Shaq. Hes f*cking 310 pounds of rock solid muscle. Nobody in the league can bang around like him. And check the stats buddy. He is 10th in the league in total rebounds. He obviously bangs down low.</div>i guess you didn't read the part where i mentioned david robinson, hakeem olajuwon and and patrick ewing. i know bcb is your boy but why should i respond to his post when yours, dogma and his all said pretty much the same thing? you want me to be like bcb and post the same thing repeatedly? i can do that if you want.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jun 7 2006, 08:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Big Z is not a mid range guy. He plays inside a lot. Believe it or not. I'm not gonna try again to force it through your mind, so this is probably my last post in this thread.</div>yes, Big Z is a midrange guy. He may go inside some, but his niche is the midrange.
Why are you even comparing Okur to Hakeem, David Robinson and Patrick Ewing? Okur isn't up to that level. Okur only averages a block a game, and thats about average for a 6'11 Center.
why am i comparing them? are you stupid or incompetent? i'm not comparing them skill wise but because they do what a center is supposed to do. i'm not gonna argue with this anymore because it's getting annoying trying to convince you people. i said what i wanted to say now it's over. enjoy calling memo a center for the rest of his career :happy0144:
From what I read, it seemes we are having alot of trouble classifying a player as a center. From what I think:- If a player played center for a majority of the season, and would do so in normal circumstances for his team, they are a centerTherefore, Boris Diaw doesn't count, because if Amare wasn't injured, he wouldn't play center. He did it because he needed do, but wouldn't do so in normal circumstances.I saw an Okur argument up there, so I'll elaborate. The guy is 6 ' 11, weighs 250. He has the height and weight of a decent center, and just because he shoots alot of jumpshots doesn't mean he's not a center. Is Dirk Nowitzki not a Power Forward because he plays like a Shooting Guard? No. I don't care how you play, it's where you play. Okur is built like a center, and under normal circumstances, he could play either. He's a Center. He's a Power Forward. He could be classified as both.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nykfan4life @ Jun 8 2006, 05:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>why am i comparing them? are you stupid or incompetent? i'm not comparing them skill wise but because they do what a center is supposed to do. i'm not gonna argue with this anymore because it's getting annoying trying to convince you people. i said what i wanted to say now it's over. enjoy calling memo a center for the rest of his career :happy0144:</div> It's doesn't matter if he played on the perimeter or not, he's still a center because thats where he played this season. Why and the hell are you judging this guy when you obviously have never watched him play?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KMart @ Jun 8 2006, 04:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>From what I read, it seemes we are having alot of trouble classifying a player as a center. From what I think:- If a player played center for a majority of the season, and would do so in normal circumstances for his team, they are a centerTherefore, Boris Diaw doesn't count, because if Amare wasn't injured, he wouldn't play center. He did it because he needed do, but wouldn't do so in normal circumstances.I saw an Okur argument up there, so I'll elaborate. The guy is 6 ' 11, weighs 250. He has the height and weight of a decent center, and just because he shoots alot of jumpshots doesn't mean he's not a center. Is Dirk Nowitzki not a Power Forward because he plays like a Shooting Guard? No. I don't care how you play, it's where you play. Okur is built like a center, and under normal circumstances, he could play either. He's a Center. He's a Power Forward. He could be classified as both.</div>Exactly. Nice points. That's why there are so many arguments on posts like this. I mean at times, SG/SF is the same thing. I mean you have guys like T-Mac and Pierce who some people classify them as SG's, some classify them as SF's. And Iverson, some classify him as PG, some say SG. I mean sometimes it's tough. That's why I always go by what position they played the most in the most recent season in their most recent situation.
