<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ May 19 2007, 07:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I wouldn't put Amare at the one spot yet. Offensively he's close to Ming, but defensively Yao has more presense which gives him the edge...also, there's a big argument out there that without Nash, Amare is much less effective on offense....(I don't watch enough Suns games to know that for sure).</div>Defensively Yao is very flawed, although some of it isn't really his fault. To put it simply, he isn't quick enough to guard many centers in the league. He also cannot come out more than 5-8ft or so from the basket, as there is NO chance of him getting back in time to recover. He also gets into foul trouble rather quickly (although this year he has become better at it).Amare averaged 24PPG in 2nd half of 03/04 without Steph, and 30PPG this year in the stretch where he didn't have Nash.
I guess Amare - Nash = But I would say Amare is still defensively better than Yao with better athleticism.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ May 18 2007, 10:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>he did ALOT more than Shaq this season. Shaq didn't do sh*t.</div>Didn't do sh*t? Shaq struggled when he first got back...but he started to play like the 2005 Shaq after a while...He was still dominant as hell in the post...he averaged 17 ppg...shot 59%..Tyson Chandler just stands around and waits on offense. He doesn't do sh*t. It's like the Hornets are playing 4 on 5 whenever he's out there. He has no offensive skill whatsoever...all he is good for is rebounding, dumbshit. So how the F*ck do you put him over Shaq, who creates matchup nightmares...If they play single coverage on Shaq, he kills them...and if he doubles him, he finds the open man with ease...How the F*ck do you think the Miami Heat ended up being a 6th seed in the playoffs? Yeah, that's right...Tyson Chandler doesn't do sh*t on offense, and Shaq is still dominant as hell and great on offense. You're a bonehead.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ May 19 2007, 09:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Tyson Chandler doesn't do sh*t on offense, and Shaq is still dominant as hell and great on offense. You're a bonehead.</div> After watching Shaq in the playoffs, I don't think he's truely dominant anymore. Still very good, but he's only playing at 80% of what he was before.
Chandler's offensive production comes from second chance points. He wouldn't average 12 ppg if he wasn't getting rebounds. Shaq is still much better and man-handled TC last year in the playoffs. Maybe in a year or two Tyson can be an offensive threat. :dribble:
Tyson Chandler's offensive game is developing but he can score a little now. And on defense and rebounding he is WAY more effective than Shaq. Chandler>Shaq
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ May 20 2007, 09:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Tyson Chandler's offensive game is developing but he can score a little now. And on defense and rebounding he is WAY more effective than Shaq. Chandler>Shaq</div>Tyson Chandler is simply boneheaded on defense....Wow...all he is better at is getting rebounds...That's like saying Anderson Varejao is better than Shaq....now that I think about it...Tyson Chandler isnt much better than Anderson Varejao....I would definately say that Andy is better on defense...And your logic makes no sense...Shaq absolutely blows Tyson out of the water on offense...I already touched on that, so I won't break it down again...But your an idiot if you think Tyson is better than Shaq...
Shaq isnt the player he once was but even ill admit hes alot better then tyson chandler(coming from someone who watched alot of tyson chandler)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ May 19 2007, 06:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Shaq had a ton more help than Yao. He was solid to bring the team into the playoffs, but the East is not very strong. Your argument (that's the correct spelling, you know) is the one that actually makes no sense. He has Wade, who is not a top 10 player when injured, but he also has Walker, Kapono (you apparently forgot him), Mourning is solid off the bench behind him, and so on. You cannot seriously tell me those guys are not all at least comparable to Alston, who seems to be the third option in Houston. Yao and McGrady at least took a pretty damn good Utah team to 7 games, whereas the Heat got SWEPT against Chicago. Utah > Chicago, I remind you. Shaq didn't carry his team against a good but not great team in Chicago. He couldn't even take them to five games. It is pretty hard to win a championship (or a series, for that matter) with two great players and nothing else. The Rockets aren't stacked by any means. They have two great players, a solid player, and a bunch of guys that would be on the bench on any championship team (Juwan is awful, I can't believe you brought him up in a serious manner).We are not talking about comparing careers. Yes, if we talk about years past, then Shaq is clearly the most dominant center career-wise. But no, we aren't talking about careers. We are talking about current playing abilities.I never ever said that no center has ever carried his team. This is clearly a topic about the CURRENT top 10 centers. I was asking you to name a CURRENT center that carries their team. That was obvious for anyone who isn't autistic, but I suppose I am expecting too much out of you.Now, judging from your original post, you think three players "carry" their teams. I have basically addressed Amare and Shaq. They have better all around teams. Now Dwight, he is a great player and he does play on a crappy team. However, your argument against Yao is that he has never won a series... wait, did Dwight win one? Oh yeah, and Dwight sure did carry his team... to the elusive East 8 seed . Listen, if you want to argue that Dwight is better than Yao, you're allowed to, but don't contradict yourself by saying that you have to win a series to be the best center. Don't be a pissant.Nah, I wasn't trying to say that Amare could only be effective with Nash. I was saying that he has better help than Yao, and anyone that says he "carries" the Suns has got to be kinda retarded. He is a damn good player, but he doesn't carry the team.I agree with you on the last sentence. The thing that was bothering me about what RF1 said was that he was basically claiming that there are a bunch of centers that carry their team, when there really aren't any (the only one I could possibly understand making that argument for is Dwight Howard). That doesn't happen anymore because the amount of talent in the league is so high.</div>Im not trying to argue that Shaq had less help than Yao Ming because the Heat's role players are way better than Houston's and I also agree that Yao is now better than Shaq, but out of the people u mentioned, Wade was injured when Shaq carried the Heat into the playoffs, Kapono was too, and Walker had been playing like sh*t all year until he improved a little in the playoffs. So really all Shaq had at the end of the season was Jones, Mourning, and Haslem.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ May 20 2007, 08:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Tyson Chandler is simply boneheaded on defense....Wow...all he is better at is getting rebounds...That's like saying Anderson Varejao is better than Shaq....now that I think about it...Tyson Chandler isnt much better than Anderson Varejao....I would definately say that Andy is better on defense...And your logic makes no sense...Shaq absolutely blows Tyson out of the water on offense...I already touched on that, so I won't break it down again...But your an idiot if you think Tyson is better than Shaq...</div>Tyson Chandler is one of the better defensive centers in the league. Much better than Anderson Varejao defensively. You could anchor a defense around him, alot better than you could anchor a defense around Varejao, and most other centers in the league these days. That being said, I would never say that Chandler is better, nor would I say that Chandler did better this year. When Shaq came back the Heat changed things around, and went on a huge run. He didn't have everything to do with it, but he had alot to do with their turn around. His presence on the court alone changes games drastically, and whether he is scoring just 12 points, or 22 points you can't leave him alone for a second. That is not true of Chandler, who help defenders leave all of the time, because he is not an offensive threat. Shaq changes a game much more than Chandler does, and in limited action this year, we saw that.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (valo35 @ May 20 2007, 12:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Tyson Chandler is one of the better defensive centers in the league. Much better than Anderson Varejao defensively. You could anchor a defense around him, alot better than you could anchor a defense around Varejao, and most other centers in the league these days. That being said, I would never say that Shaq is better, nor would I say that Chandler did better this year. When Shaq came back the Heat changed things around, and went on a huge run. He didn't have everything to do with it, but he had alot to do with their turn around. His presence on the court alone changes games drastically, and whether he is scoring just 12 points, or 22 points you can't leave him alone for a second. That is not true of Chandler, who help defenders leave all of the time, because he is not an offensive threat. Shaq changes a game much more than Chandler does, and in limited action this year, we saw that.</div>He's a tough, and strong dude, but he often makes boneheaded plays on defense.
He also plays physical and forces the other teams best post players into bad nights on many occasions. He alters, and changes a good amount of shots on the defensive end. I really didn't see him make to many mistakes in the handful of games I got to watch him in this year.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ May 20 2007, 07:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Tyson Chandler's offensive game is developing but he can score a little now. And on defense and rebounding he is WAY more effective than Shaq. Chandler>Shaq</div>You're either trolling or an idiot. I tend to think it's the former.You owe balla a sig.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ May 20 2007, 11:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I said it once and I'll say it again: Chandler>Shaq And the gap is widening every day</div> Good god please tell me your kidding....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ May 20 2007, 12:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I said it once and I'll say it again: Chandler>Shaq And the gap is widening every day</div>Are we supposed to take that seriously?I don't care how old Shaq is, or how effective he is becoming at this age - I take Shaq ANY day of the week.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ May 20 2007, 01:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I said it once and I'll say it again: Chandler>Shaq And the gap is widening every day</div>My dog is more intelligent than you. My lord.... :no1:
<span style="font-family:Arial">1. Yao Ming2. Shaquille O'Neal3. Dwight Howard4. Marcus Camby5. Mehmet Okur6. Emeka Okafor7.Ben Wallace8. Tyson Chandler9. Eddy Curry10. NeneI have a hard time listing Amare as a center.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>How can you put Yao at number 1? The guys 7'8 and he can barley dunk the damn basketball. He's weak in the paint, and he's all talk.</div>25 ppg, 10 rpg. All talk eh?</span>
