kbthrilla8 = bball4life kbthrilla8 - up north bball4life - North Dakota Both think Kobe is the best. Both are new with 1 post, in the same thread 5 minutes apart from each other.' Are you trying to make us think that because 2 people think Kobe is number 1, we will all see that you are right? Shaq at 5 is a joke. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">it doesnt look like too many ballers know what the hell they are talking about</div> I don't know what I am talking about? Alright. Shaq, at 75 percent dominates the whole league. He is probably the 2nd most dominant player in NBA history behind Wilt. If this thread was about who has the most skill, I would agree that Kobe is #1, with Duncan 2nd, and McGrady 3rd. But it is not. Would you like to explain why Allen Iverson isn't on the list? And explain how Jason Kidd is falling? Taking a team to the finals two years in a rows, averaging something like 16 ppg and 10 apg, and he is falling? Yeah...ok....
<font face="Arial">Note quite sherlock.</font> <font face="Arial">I don't even know why I waste my time, this is like 1st graders talking to a professor. But I will give it a whirl.</font> <font face="Arial">How does Shaq dominate the leauge? He has 0 comp. The league is as weak in centers for the last 3-4 years as I can remember. He is simply standing out, his strength and size must hypnotize people into thinking his is the most dominating.</font> <font face="Arial">He overmatches the compo, his skill level has clearly deteriorated the last few years, he has lost a bit of spring and a lot of touch. Thus resulting in him missing 5-6 2 footers each game. Shaq has to be set up, he is a centerpiece, Kobe can create for himself and for other teammates.</font> <font face="Arial">Iverson aint on the list? Answer- Despite his knack for scoring and great handle/quickness, I dont like the fact that he fails in the clutch over and over again, shoots a lot of bad shots, shoots a poor percentage, and is not a true leader. IE sets bad examples, drove his coach out of town.</font> <font face="Arial">BIG CORRECTION- JORDAN IS EASILY the most dominating player of all time. Just because Shaq is huge and strong and quick on his feet battling Fossil Mutombo and Malik Rose DOES NOT MEAN HE IS THE MOST dominating. Wake up. MJ frickin embarressed the league he was so good, nothing could stop him, made his team so much better and was always in cruise control. Get this Shaq, Wilt crap out of here.</font> <font face="Arial">Take away Shaq from the Lakers and the Lakers suck. REALLY?? I could swear the team is built around Shaq. Why the hell are you comparing much better teams against a Lakers team without Shaq, when the damn team was built around him?? Kobe makes every single Laker much better than they actually are. If you think Shaq is so damn good, then explain why his butt got swept in the playoffs every year with loaded teams? It wasnt until Kobe came on that they became champions. And even with the brilliant year Kobe had last year, Shaq was way too out of it, and the supporting cast was way toooo weak for him to carry them again.</font> <font face="Arial">You all are mistaken.</font>
He has 0 comp? That is because he is so good genius. If he wasn't there then everyone would say the league has some good centers.... Ming...Brad Miller...Alonzo...Vlade...Brian Grant...Juwan Howard...Coleman...Theo...Eddy Curry...Antonio Davis...Big Z...Elden...Camby...Raef...Kandi... Iverson drove the coach out of the town? If you know about basketball, Larry Brown doesn't stay anywhere for a long time, him coming back was a surpirse. Oh, and Larry Brown just said he likes Allen, idiot. Iverson fails in the clutch? Oh, like losing to the Lakers in the finals in 5 games? Is that it? Not until he went with Kobe? Or how about that when he made the finals before he went up against one of the greatest centers of all time, Hakeem Olajuwon, and he was very young. I don't understand how you can say that he is the best player in the NBA. He makes his teammates better? So does Duncan, Shaq, Iverson, TMac....and I don't know if it was so much Shaq being out of it as it was the Spurs supporting cast destroying the Lakers supporting cast.
If Kobe was the best player in the league, he wouldn't have gotten out played by Bruce Bowen in what was one of the most important game for the Lakers this season. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting bball4life:</div><div class="quote_post"> <font face="Arial">How does Shaq dominate the leauge? He has 0 comp. The league is as weak in centers for the last 3-4 years as I can remember. He is simply standing out, his strength and size must hypnotize people into thinking his is the most dominating.</font></div> The fact that he's got zero competition is what MAKES him the most dominant player in the league. You have yet to give a good reason for WHY Kobe is the best in the league. Like thefranchise said, it's kinda hard for him to be the best in the league when he's not even the best on his team. Skill wise, yes, as for dominance, no, Shaq's got that covered, and that's more important.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">If Kobe was the best player in the league, he wouldn't have gotten out played by Bruce Bowen in what was one of the most important game for the Lakers this season.</div> Ouch thats a good point bud. What are you going to say now? Was Kobe looking at the high school girl in the front row? (I am a Kobe fan, but this guy hasn't said anything)
I will go down the list here- #1. STCBBALL- I wont even waste my time responding to you. You sound like your 12. Go chase your dog around the yard. You named about 3 centers on your list there rocket scientist. #2 Where was the talk of Shaq being most dominant back when Hakeem, Ewing, Robinson, Mutombo, Smits and everyone else was in their prime?? I NEVER HEARD IT. Now the league is completly drained of true centers and it makes Fat Daddy look like a King. Hakeem gave him all he wanted. #3 Bruce outplaying Kobe. HA, what are you talking about?? Game 6? Bruce was allowed to hang on Kobe the entire series and Kobe still handled him. It was the supporting cast especially Horry sucking it up that lost that series. Shaq also played like crap and was nowhere to be found for most of the important stretches. That game was over in the 2nd quarter, Kobe gave it all he could despite his bad knees and bruised shoulder. Everyone forgets he played through big time injuries this year. #4 no reasons why Kobe is the best? 0 FLAWs in his game, He has the D, he has the passing, he has the 3 point shot (holds NBA Record), he is clutch and he works harder than any other player in the league. If you love bball, you have to love Kobe. If not, your a damn pretender, aka cupcake. nuff said.
Yeah, I am not saying they are All- NBA centers, but without Shaq, people would be saying those guys are pretty good. And there are 3 centers there? Would you like to tell me who doesn't play center in that list? If you don't love Kobe, then your a pretender? Wow you really are a joke. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Kobe gave it all he could despite his bad knees and bruised shoulder</div> All Kobe fans love to make excuses about him... Where was the talk about Shaq being the most dominant back then...I don't know...he wasn't....he was very young and he still dominated. Did you watch back then? Shaq was so young, and was dominant and held his own. Hakeem is one of the greatest centers of all time, Shaq was 24 years old. You have looked at his numbers and have watched him play right? 23 and 14 as a ROOKIE! 29 and 13 in his 2nd season! Did you ever watch him play back then? Probably not. You keep acting like we are all morons and your the big basketball genius. You really haven't said much, Kobe's game has flaws. He is an overrated defender. Has the passing? He is a decent passer. He doesn't find alot of teammates for open looks. Working harder than any other players means NOTHING. Sorry.
3-9. The Lakers record w/o Shaq. Kobe sure can win, huh? They lost to teams like Cleveland, Atlanta.................Cleveland? Kobe couldn't beat Cleveland? C'mon. So dear professor, educate me........why couldn't Kobe win w/o Shaq? Why couldn't he beat Cleveland, of all teams? The fact is Kobe is not the clear cut #1 player in the league. Duncan is right up there. Duncan led the Spurs to the championship. The Lakers had 2 top 5 players in the league; and lost. The Spurs had Tim Duncan. The rest is history. You can come back with all your numbers, statistics, and anything else you might like to add..............as for me, I will remind you of one thing: 3-9.
Yeah, why don't you give us all a lesson on how great Kobe is, and how he caries teams...go ahead. Losing to Cleveland? Thats awful, even without Shaq. How about Kobe putting up 47 shots, including 0-8 from three, in a loss. He put up 5 games of 35 FG attemps in ONE MONTH! Guess what, they had a losing record. 3-9 3-9 3-9 3-9 3-9 You got that yet? Put it in your teacher planner for the next class you teach.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting HoLlaTchABoy420:</div><div class="quote_post">my top ten would be- 1.Kobe 2.TMac 3.Duncan 4.Dirk 5.J.Oneal 6.Shaq 7.Pierce 8.Franics 9.Kidd 10.Webber</div> Francis ahead of Kidd? No GM in the league would agree with that. I am curious as to why you believe that.
Again, no Iverson on your list HollatAChaBoy. How can you have a list on not have him on it? Shaq at number 6? You should be embarressed, that is pathetic. Jermaine O'Neal ahead of him? Yeah...ok...would you like to tell me why?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Vintage:</div><div class="quote_post">Francis ahead of Kidd? No GM in the league would agree with that. I am curious as to why you believe that.</div> No GM Probly would but if i was a GM i would because Francis if you wathc him in most of his games he just about can get a triple double every game just like Kidd..But Francis can also drop over 20 ppg..And Kidd rarley drop 20ppg..
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting STCBBall3:</div><div class="quote_post">Again, no Iverson on your list HollatAChaBoy. How can you have a list on not have him on it? Shaq at number 6? You should be embarressed, that is pathetic. Jermaine O'Neal ahead of him? Yeah...ok...would you like to tell me why?</div> First-I was thinking about add Iverson but i was think to my self what does he do that no one on this list cant do and i couldnt think of anything esle beside shoot more that is all Iverson does is shoot he needs to learn how to pass more and take less shots and he would be on my top 10.. 2nd-Shaq is overrated..All he is FAT..And he can move around the player in the post and soon he wont even be able to move because he is gonna get so big and he is gonna have a ton of injurier because of how badly out of shape he is..So yes i do think J.Oneal should be ahead of him..Jermaine is alot younger and he get better year after year soon he is gonna be avg around 25 and 13 just watch...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting HoLlaTchABoy420:</div><div class="quote_post">First-I was thinking about add Iverson but i was think to my self what does he do that no one on this list cant do and i couldnt think of anything esle beside shoot more that is all Iverson does is shoot he needs to learn how to pass more and take less shots and he would be on my top 10.. 2nd-Shaq is overrated..All he is FAT..And he can move around the player in the post and soon he wont even be able to move because he is gonna get so big and he is gonna have a ton of injurier because of how badly out of shape he is..So yes i do think J.Oneal should be ahead of him..Jermaine is alot younger and he get better year after year soon he is gonna be avg around 25 and 13 just watch...</div> Younger? Got better after every year? So what. This is the top 10 players NOW! As in present time! This isn't a sim league where you are looking for the future. This is a simple, pick the top 10 players as of now. And as of now, Shaq is still better than O'Neal.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Vintage:</div><div class="quote_post">Younger? Got better after every year? So what. This is the top 10 players NOW! As in present time! This isn't a sim league where you are looking for the future. This is a simple, pick the top 10 players as of now. And as of now, Shaq is still better than O'Neal.</div> I dont think he is..And watch this year Jermaine will be better then Shaq
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting HoLlaTchABoy420:</div><div class="quote_post"> 2nd-Shaq is overrated..All he is FAT..And he can move around the player in the post and soon he wont even be able to move because he is gonna get so big and he is gonna have a ton of injurier because of how badly out of shape he is..So yes i do think J.Oneal should be ahead of him..Jermaine is alot younger and he get better year after year soon he is gonna be avg around 25 and 13 just watch...</div> yanno what? a fat, injured Shaq STILL managed to dominate the league. as much as i hate him, that kind of ability does not belong at #6 <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Vintage:</div><div class="quote_post"> Duncan led the Spurs to the championship. The Lakers had 2 top 5 players in the league; and lost.</div> that sentance says it all
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">all Iverson does is shoot he needs to learn how to pass more and take less shots and he would be on my top 10..</div> You realize Iverson averaged 5.5 assists per game. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">he is gonna have a ton of injurier </div> Right, alot more injurier. You should not be able to saw, "watch this year". Its a cheap answer when you have nothing to back up what you say. I don't care how JO will be in 5 years, its about this year, right now. Shaq is a better player. Ask every GM, you will get 100% for Shaq. Then, why not take out Gary Payton and put in TJ Ford or whatever you want, because you know, in 5 years, Gary won't be as good as TJ.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">he wont even be able to move because he is gonna get so big</div> That sentence can't be serious. Who cares if he is fat? This has nothing to do with his body type, its about the BEST players. Shaq dominates. What don't you understand?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting STCBBall3:</div><div class="quote_post">That sentence can't be serious. Who cares if he is fat? This has nothing to do with his body type, its about the BEST players. Shaq dominates. What don't you understand?</div> The whole thing is that he is fat and that is why he is so dominate..If Shawn Bradley weight 340 and was 7'6 dont you think he would be dominate too..Shaq is overrated and i dont even think he will play most of next season because of injuries..
