<div class="quote_poster">Quoting HoLlaTchABoy420:</div><div class="quote_post">The whole thing is that he is fat and that is why he is so dominate..If Shawn Bradley weight 340 and was 7'6 dont you think he would be dominate too..Shaq is overrated and i dont even think he will play most of next season because of injuries..</div> No, he wouldn't. Shaq is a very good defender. Well, he was. Still is pretty good. Good shotblocker too. And a very good rebounder. What does his weight have to do with blocking shots? What does his weight have to do with snagging a rebound? What does his weight have to do with playing good defense? Granted, on offense, he can use his bulk.......but thats not a fault. Thats smart on his half. Why shoot from 10' when you can muscle in and shoot from 5'?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting STCBBall3:</div><div class="quote_post">You realize Iverson averaged 5.5 assists per game. Right, alot more injurier. You should not be able to saw, "watch this year". Its a cheap answer when you have nothing to back up what you say. I don't care how JO will be in 5 years, its about this year, right now. Shaq is a better player. Ask every GM, you will get 100% for Shaq. Then, why not take out Gary Payton and put in TJ Ford or whatever you want, because you know, in 5 years, Gary won't be as good as TJ.</div> I aint puttin JO there mostly because of the way he is gonna be in 5 year i am puttin there because of how he is now..He is still avg 20points and 10 rebound per game and if he was shaq size he would be avg probly more then Shaq..Shaq is overrated by alot..If it wasnt for Kobe Shaq wouldnt have any of them ring..Shaq could make it on his own..Duncan did and soon JO will show you that he is better then Shaq..I might have messed up with the Ranking for right now to you guys..But i think JO is alot better then Shaq..
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting slamduncan21:</div><div class="quote_post">By your logic, shouldn't Shawn Kemp dominate too, then?</div> Yeah........Why didn't Vin Baker and Shawn Kemp dominate the Eastern Conference? Why doesn't Tractor Traylor dominate Eastern Conference PF's?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting HoLlaTchABoy420:</div><div class="quote_post">The whole thing is that he is fat and that is why he is so dominate..If Shawn Bradley weight 340 and was 7'6 dont you think he would be dominate too..Shaq is overrated and i dont even think he will play most of next season because of injuries..</div> then you dont know much...shaq daddy has been lifting all summer long and is comming back RIPPED. he was a little out of shape last season, but its all relative. he was out of shape compared to his previous seasons...which btw he was measuring at a whole 9% body fat. hes far from fat man, and hes skilled...you cant be just big and dominate...why doesnt tracktor trailer dominate? why isnt escalade from the and1 tour dominating the L?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting slamduncan21:</div><div class="quote_post">By your logic, shouldn't Shawn Kemp dominate too, then?</div> Kemp is just fat and lazy..Shaq atleast playes the games..Shaq is a great player but i just think that JO is better..I never said Shaq sucks..I just am tryin to say if Shaq didnt have his size he wouldnt be dominate...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Vintage:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah........Why didn't Vin Baker and Shawn Kemp dominate the Eastern Conference? Why doesn't Tractor Traylor dominate Eastern Conference PF's?</div> lol...my post was like seconds after yours! but great minds think alike....or somethin like that :mrgreen:
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting dj_premium_plus:</div><div class="quote_post">then you dont know much...shaq daddy has been lifting all summer long and is comming back RIPPED. he was a little out of shape last season, but its all relative. he was out of shape compared to his previous seasons...which btw he was measuring at a whole 9% body fat. hes far from fat man, and hes skilled...you cant be just big and dominate...why doesnt tracktor trailer dominate? why isnt escalade from the and1 tour dominating the L?</div> I really does hope he come back ripped..Then i cant stop sayin it is because he is fat..Shaq is a great player but right now he isnt in my top 5 he aint in shape anymore and the last couple of year i just tought he stop carin..But after what Kobe said i think he is startin to care and i hope he does come back stronger then ever..
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting HoLlaTchABoy420:</div><div class="quote_post">If it wasnt for Kobe Shaq wouldnt have any of them ring..Shaq could make it on his own..Duncan did and soon JO will show you that he is better then Shaq..I might have messed up with the Ranking for right now to you guys..But i think JO is alot better then Shaq..</div> Jermaine O'Neal led his team to an early vacation. I don't see how that makes him better than Shaq.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting HoLlaTchABoy420:</div><div class="quote_post">Kemp is just fat and lazy..Shaq atleast playes the games..Shaq is a great player but i just think that JO is better..I never said Shaq sucks..I just am tryin to say if Shaq didnt have his size he wouldnt be dominate...</div> JO may have more raw skill, but i wouldnt say that JO dominates..and you just said yourself that shaq dominates...end of story
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Vintage:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah........Why didn't Vin Baker and Shawn Kemp dominate the Eastern Conference? Why doesn't Tractor Traylor dominate Eastern Conference PF's?</div> They are Lazy..Another thing Shaq knows how to use his weight to his avantage if all of them guys werent so lazy and learn how to do that they all can be good but nothin like Shaq..Once again i aint sayin Shaq sucks.. OT-I am startin to like JBB alot...Tons of good discussion and that is what i like..
Is Shaq stopping every player to put on weight? No. You people don't realize that Shaq knows how to play. He has great footwork, and uses it alot. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">if he was shaq size he would be avg probly more then Shaq..</div> You see that IF word right...yeah, well HE IS NOT! Damn. Ok. If it wasn't for Shaq, Kobe wouldn't have the ring. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">f it wasnt for Kobe Shaq wouldnt have any of them ring</div> Kobe can't carry a team. 3-9 3-9 3-9 ....................... <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">But i think JO is alot better then Shaq..</div> Why? Isn't as good a defender. Isn't as good a scorer Isn't as good a rebounder. Isn't as good a passer. So...tell me what I am not seeing.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting dj_premium_plus:</div><div class="quote_post">JO may have more raw skill, but i wouldnt say that JO dominates..and you just said yourself that shaq dominates...end of story</div> I never said Shaq didnt dominate i just said because of his weight he dominates..And no JO doesnt dominate but he is one hell of a player..
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting HoLlaTchABoy420:</div><div class="quote_post">I never said Shaq didnt dominate i just said because of his weight he dominates..And no JO doesnt dominate but he is one hell of a player..</div> Agreed...........but thats different than being better than Shaq.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting STCBBall3:</div><div class="quote_post">Is Shaq stopping every player to put on weight? No. You people don't realize that Shaq knows how to play. He has great footwork, and uses it alot. You see that IF word right...yeah, well HE IS NOT! Damn. Ok. If it wasn't for Shaq, Kobe wouldn't have the ring. Kobe can't carry a team. 3-9 3-9 3-9 ....................... Why? Isn't as good a defender. Isn't as good a scorer Isn't as good a rebounder. Isn't as good a passer. So...tell me what I am not seeing.</div> 1.Shaq is a really great player for his size..But most of his dominate is because of his size..But he does do alot of other thing wells too.. 2.I am saying IF..Because if he was he would be better i think..But like you said he isnt... 3.Kobe cant carrie a team but Shaq probly couldnt either and if it wasnt for Kobe..Shaq wouldnt have a ring and if it wasnt for Shaq kobe wouldnt have a ring..So it pretty much all the same they are both great players and without each outher niether would have a ring 4.JO i think is better because he uses skill do most of what he is doing..He is a good defend block shots pretty good..Good rebounder..And can score wells too..But i am not sayin he is better then Shaq at them thing..Shaq might do all of them and he does have alot of Skill i just think that JO has more..
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting slamduncan21:</div><div class="quote_post">then how does that make him better?</div> Skills wise...JO is better maybe if JO was Shaq size they would be about the same..Never no..But i think because JO is so skinny and he does alot on court..And that is all skill..Shaq got alot of Skills but he got that weight to back him up to help him do everything..
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting HoLlaTchABoy420:</div><div class="quote_post">Skills wise...JO is better maybe if JO was Shaq size they would be about the same..Never no..But i think because JO is so skinny and he does alot on court..And that is all skill..Shaq got alot of Skills but he got that weight to back him up to help him do everything..</div> Shaq is the better scorer. Shaq is the better rebounder. Shaq is the better shotblocker. Shaq is the better defender. Shaq is the better passer. Now, maybe you can argue he can score more bec. of his weight...... But how does his weight make him the better defender, shotblocker, rebounder, and passer?(I am really looking forward to the passing one....)
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting bball4life:</div><div class="quote_post">I just joined this board and so far it doesnt look like too many ballers know what the hell they are talking about. My suggestion is to watch more games and spend more time with the game before you start running off bogus top 10 lists. First off- If anyone thinks that someone other than Kobe is the best player on the planet, then you are obviously mistaken. Or possibly on crack. This is so easy to see its ridiculous. Out of the top 5 in the leauge, you can easily name 2-3 flaws in everyones game, EXCEPT for Kobe. He has 0 flaws, easily making him the best player in the league. Compare him to T-Mac. HA!! Kobe's individual and team defense are far superior to TMAC. Kobe is a MUCH, MUCH better passer than TMAC, 10 times more clutch, and a better scorer to boot, despite not winning the scoring race. His 40 point run said enough about that, along with his 42 points in first half against the Wiz. I can go on and on. This is not even close. This is how it really looks. 1. Kobe (steady) 2. Duncan (steady) 3. KG (steady) 4. Tmac (steady) 5. Shaq (falling) 6. Dirk (rising) 7. Webber (falling) 8. Kidd (falling) 9. Francis (rising) 10. Pierce (steady) 2-10 can be interchanged on any given night, Kobe is the only consistent factor.</div> u really need to back up your side with actual facts if your gonna go talkin like that. I mean I guess "if u dont agrree then youre on crack" is pretty good but come on youre smarter than that arent you? ......are you? the fact is Kobe isn't even the best player on his team. He may be the most athletic player in the league but that doesn;t nessecraily treanslate to making your team more likely to win. and its all said in the 2-10 recorn he lead the lakers too when shaq was out at the start of last year. Shaq is the one who's unstoppable and hes the reason the lakers three-peated as champs. you could've put Iverson, Tmac, or Pierce in Kobes place and the results wouldve been the same. Kobe/Pierce/Tmac are all very good but just not as complete as Shaq/KG/Duncan and cant effect the other teams play in the same way. Shaq does all the damage he wants even with being double teamed on every touch and as a result kobe rarely has to face a oduble team. if kobe was doubled all the time hed have the same numbers as Pierce. my list looked like this 1.Shaq (still the most dominant when hes healthy) 2.Duncan (Only guy who couldve beaten shaq this year) 3.KG (some people think hes better than Duncan...and shaq for that matter) 4.Kidd (might not have top 10 numbers himself but he's a one man winning team) 5. Tmac (unless u think KObes better) 6. Kobe (unless u think hes better than Tmac) 7. Pierce (unless u think hes better htan kobe or tmac....wouldnt be where he is now without walker) 8. Dirk (Lacks D and thats about it) 9. Iverson (unless u think hes up with PiKoMac--aw forget it their all great) 10. Jermiane Oneal (unless u think Webbers better) I think pretty much the whole list is debateable but I think everyone should be able to agree that the dominant big men of the league are more valueble than the supergaurds
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting HoLlaTchABoy420:</div><div class="quote_post">1.Shaq is a really great player for his size..But most of his dominate is because of his size..But he does do alot of other thing wells too..</div> but its not JUST his size...its also his skill...he has so many low post moves, he has soft touch in the lane, can go both directions, has GREAT hands for a big man...its not JUST his size...its a combination of both...but either way, you dont ever hear someone saying "t mac is a great player, but hes only great because he has such an athletic build" <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> 3.Kobe cant carrie a team but Shaq probly couldnt either and if it wasnt for Kobe..Shaq wouldnt have a ring and if it wasnt for Shaq kobe wouldnt have a ring..So it pretty much all the same they are both great players and without each outher niether would have a ring</div> the lakers would be better withouth kobe and with shaq then the other way around...whats harder to come by in the league? a shooting guard or a center? id rather have someone who scores 25 points AND brings down 11 boards, AND patrols my paint with mere presence, then kobe. kobe is great, but shaq its shaq's team face it man, jo is a great player, but shaq is an elite player...there is NO stopping him
