<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Dec 8 2006, 10:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How was he clearly better? Because he scored a few more points? Weak argument my friend. Tony Parkers been leading an elite playoff team since his 2nd season...and Jason Richardson so far has been a streak shooting scorer on a terrible team...I don't care if he averaged 4 more points a game or not....</div>Leading the playoff team? What? In the 2003 championship team, it was Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobili, and then Tony Parker, and you know it too. Yeah, Jason Richardson has been a big time scorer for the past 4 years. It wasnt until last year that Tony Parker really took the extra step offensively. Also, for a pg, he isnt a great passer. Oh yeah - J-Rich has had alot of help. He's had Mike Dunleavy, Troy Murphy, and freaking Adonal Foyle :no1: You shouldnt judge a player by his team. His team has always sucked, whereas Tony Parker has had one of the best players in the league, a great coach, Manu Ginobili, and other great players around him. It's not Richardson's fault that he has always been on a loser team, whereas Parker was placed on an elite team. That is a weak argument my friend.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Dec 8 2006, 09:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Leading the playoff team? What? In the 2003 championship team, it was Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobili, and then Tony Parker, and you know it too. Yeah, Jason Richardson has been a big time scorer for the past 4 years. It wasnt until last year that Tony Parker really took the extra step offensively. Also, for a pg, he isnt a great passer. Oh yeah - J-Rich has had alot of help. He's had Mike Dunleavy, Troy Murphy, and freaking Adonal Foyle :no1: You shouldnt judge a player by his team. His team has always sucked, whereas Tony Parker has had one of the best players in the league, a great coach, Manu Ginobili, and other great players around him. It's not Richardson's fault that he has always been on a loser team, whereas Parker was placed on an elite team. That is a weak argument my friend.</div>Tony Parker actually has very good court vision, and passing. If you saw his game last night, that was a little showing of his court vision and passing. He see's most area's on the floor, and can get the ball to any of those area's. The big thing with Tony Parker, is that like was said earlier, he is not in the type of offense where he has the ball in his hands alot to create for everyone else. That offense is more centered around ball movement and passing, than anything else. Tony Parker nore anyone else on that team is going to rack up alot of assists.In that 2003 team, Ginobili was not the second scoring option on the team. Ginobili didn't even show up as a possible third scoring option until the playoffs. For most of the year he was a backup, and Stephen Jackson played more than he did. Tony Parker was definately the second scoring option on the team that year. During the finals, Tony Parker was the leading scorer for the team in two of the games, and the second leading scorer in two of the games. Furthermore, Tony Parker was the one that set the pace for that team, and got the offense set up. He played very calm and composed that year considering he was only a second year player on the team. Tony Parker has been better than Jason Richardson in his career so far.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Dec 8 2006, 09:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I clearly said at the start of this topic that it was about what these players have done so far in their careers. And J-Rich has scored 20+ ppg the last 2 years anyway. Yeah, Parker is a great player now, but in the early stages J-Rich was clearly better, and this topic is about their entire careers.</div>And since you like to look at stats, in their second years in the league, Tony Parker averaged 15.5 points per game, 5.3 assists, and 2.6 total assists. Jason Richardson averaged 15.6 points per game, 3 assists, 4.6 steals. So their averages do not prove that in the early stages Richardson was clearly better. Now factor in that Tony Parker was doing this on a championship team, setting the pace, and regulating the offense in this second year, I think Tony Parker was a better this season. So I am failing to see where J-Rich was clearly better in the early stages.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Dec 8 2006, 10:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Leading the playoff team? What? In the 2003 championship team, it was Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobili, and then Tony Parker, and you know it too. Yeah, Jason Richardson has been a big time scorer for the past 4 years. It wasnt until last year that Tony Parker really took the extra step offensively. Also, for a pg, he isnt a great passer. Oh yeah - J-Rich has had alot of help. He's had Mike Dunleavy, Troy Murphy, and freaking Adonal Foyle :no1: You shouldnt judge a player by his team. His team has always sucked, whereas Tony Parker has had one of the best players in the league, a great coach, Manu Ginobili, and other great players around him. It's not Richardson's fault that he has always been on a loser team, whereas Parker was placed on an elite team. That is a weak argument my friend.</div> Just give me one damn reason why Richardson should be ranked higher? Please.
Damn, Valo owned me Okay, BCB. Richardson has been a top tier scorer for three seasons now...Tony Parker has been putting up these digits for 1 and 1/5 seasons..Richardson has been a top tier player longer than Tony Parker, and he has been one of the league's best scorer for a while now. He is an athletic wing slasher, who can hit a jumpshot also..
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Dec 8 2006, 06:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Youve got Tony Parker too high in my opinion.</div>He did it in the playoffs though. There is something to be said about that, no matter how good the rest of your team is. Your right last season was his first great, but he had some good ones before that.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Dec 9 2006, 12:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Damn, Valo owned me Okay, BCB. Richardson has been a top tier scorer for three seasons now...Tony Parker has been putting up these digits for 1 and 1/5 seasons..Richardson has been a top tier player longer than Tony Parker, and he has been one of the league's best scorer for a while now. He is an athletic wing slasher, who can hit a jumpshot also..</div> Top tier scorer? Your making him sound like Gilbert Arenas on offense. Career, he's averaged 18ppg...and I'd like to mention this year he's playing terrible and averaging 14ppg. Throughout his career he's never been a leader on the court and is not a good defender. He's a streaky outside shooter who scores most of his points on his way to the FT line. I just don't think he's as impressive as you make him out to be. Parker on the other hand is an elite PG who taken on more of the scoring the last couple years. He has a great mid-range game and shoots over 50% from the field when most good PG's can't even shoot 44%. Wouldn't you rather have someone like Parker?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Dec 9 2006, 12:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Top tier scorer? Your making him sound like Gilbert Arenas on offense. Career, he's averaged 18ppg...and I'd like to mention this year he's playing terrible and averaging 14ppg. Throughout his career he's never been a leader on the court and is not a good defender. He's a streaky outside shooter who scores most of his points on his way to the FT line. I just don't think he's as impressive as you make him out to be. Parker on the other hand is an elite PG who taken on more of the scoring the last couple years. He has a great mid-range game and shoots over 50% from the field when most good PG's can't even shoot 44%. Wouldn't you rather have someone like Parker?</div>I said the past 3 seasons he has been a top tier scorer. Are you illiterate? Youre talking about right now, not their careers. Right now I would rather have Parker, but Parker has only been an elite player for one season now, whereas J-Rich has been a scoring machine for the past 3 seasons now.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Dec 9 2006, 12:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I said the past 3 seasons he has been a top tier scorer. Are you illiterate? Youre talking about right now, not their careers. Right now I would rather have Parker, but Parker has only been an elite player for one season now, whereas J-Rich has been a scoring machine for the past 3 seasons now.</div> Tony Parker's been averaging 15/5 since his second season...he's only had the shots the last two years to average 19ppg...He's been very good and consistant the whole time. I'm sure if he was on a sh*tty team like the Warriors his whole career he would have been averaging more points.
That was a poor argument. In 04-05, Tony took 14 shots a game. Last year, he took 14.2 shots per game. So he had the same amount of shots 2 years ago as last season. He just didnt shoot that amazing percentage until last year. And he averaged 16 ppg in 04-05, and near 20 last season.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Dec 9 2006, 12:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That was a poor argument. In 04-05, Tony took 14 shots a game. Last year, he took 14.2 shots per game. So he had the same amount of shots 2 years ago as last season. He just didnt shoot that amazing percentage until last year. And he averaged 16 ppg in 04-05, and near 20 last season.</div> Again, with you, everything is statistics. I've watched Parker a lot, he's had a lot more freedom on offense the last couple of seasons.
Not really. If you look in the comparison threads, I dont use stats with any of my comparisons. Statistics are a good way to prove people wrong though...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Dec 8 2006, 01:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Credit SunnyD for the idea. I decided to expand on his to get more NBA discussion going. Anywho, this is based on the players' careers, not currently. Feel free to make your own lists. Here's mine:1. Pau Gasol2. Jason Richardson3. Gilbert Arenas4. Joe Johnson5. Richard Jefferson6. Tony Parker7. Zach Randolph8. Troy Murphy9. Mehmet Okur10. Shane Battier11. Eddy Curry12. Tyson Chandler13. Bobby Simmons14. Gerald Wallace15. Jamaal Tinsley16. Samuel Dalembert17. Vladimir Radmanovic18. Kwame Brown19. Earl Watson20. Brendan HaywoodDid I leave anyone out? Or do you just diagree? Comments...?</div>A) Slit one wrist for putting Jason Richardson ahead of Gilbert Arenas. Slit the other for putting Zach Randolph ahead of Troy Murphy. (Randolph might be a slightly better scorer, but Troy Murphy actually tries and plays superior better defense)C) Get both wrists taped up, and give me a hug brother.Really, I do give you and SunnyD credit for making these lists. I know I'd have a tough time making one, so I give you guys tons of props for trying. Good job gentleman.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KMart @ Dec 9 2006, 02:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>A) Slit one wrist for putting Jason Richardson ahead of Gilbert Arenas. Slit the other for putting Zach Randolph ahead of Troy Murphy. (Randolph might be a slightly better scorer, but Troy Murphy actually tries and plays superior better defense)C) Get both wrists taped up, and give me a hug brother.Really, I do give you and SunnyD credit for making these lists. I know I'd have a tough time making one, so I give you guys tons of props for trying. Good job gentleman.</div>What? Troy Murphy is not a good defender. I dont know if youve heard, but Zach Randolph is averaging 26 and 10. He is far, far, far superior to freaking Troy Murphy, who's averaging a mere 11 and 6. Zach Randolph has put up 20 on the year before also. Youd have to be a retard to think that Troy Murphy>Randolph.
This here my friend is proof of how little I still pay attention to the NBA. Anytime I say something like that, just respond with:"Vast differences have occured since last year KMart" So only slit one wrist.
I think Gasol and Arenas thing is really hard. Does absoultely everything you want from a big man and Arenas does for being a SG. Only problem is Arenas is SUPPOSED to be a PG. I would pick Gasol just cause how he has carried his team.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KMart @ Dec 9 2006, 03:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This here my friend is proof of how little I still pay attention to the NBA. Anytime I say something like that, just respond with:"Vast differences have occured since last year KMart" So only slit one wrist.</div> I don't think Troy Murphy is a good defender...he's a good rebounder and can score...but he shoots too much from the outside for me to call him efficient...I don't like Randolph but he's better.
