<div class="quote_poster">Quoting jstoppa:</div><div class="quote_post">In regards to that list, i said injuries play a part, not the whole damn thing- Cwebb belongs in the spot he is, if healthy, hes good for top 7. Kobe is definitely a top 5, top 3 last year...oh and my bad for leavin out the franchise, put him at 11 and put randolph to H.M.- he will blow up this year</div> So if I understand you correctly, your list is overall and not based just on this year?
I guess this is a test and so I failed.. the only thing I have to say is that its a shame somebody had the NERVE to say Dirk Nowitzki isnt great this year.
i still dont agree with Cwebb on there because u said injury plays a factor...he hasnt played a game inforever....he isnt even the best on his team...i would take peja over him...i do agree Kobe is top 5 he showed it the other night and B Diddy has been inconsistent in my eyes...one nite he could get 37 the next night he gets like 12 on 6-20 shotting...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting VAs Finest:</div><div class="quote_post">B Diddy has been inconsistent in my eyes...one nite he could get 37 the next night he gets like 12 on 6-20 shotting...</div> Yeah, he is very inconsistant. Just look at these horrible stats! Ranks #2 in the NBA in PPG (25.2) Ranks #2 in the NBA in APG (8.1) Ranks #2 in the NBA in SPG (3.15) Ranks #6 in the NBA in MPG (40.1) Ranks #3 in the NBA in MIN (521.0) Ranks #3 in the NBA in FGM (118.0) Ranks #2 in the NBA in FGA (283.0) Ranks #1 in the NBA in 3PM (50.0) Ranks #1 in the NBA in 3PA (122.0) Ranks #2 in the NBA in AST (105.0) Ranks #2 in the NBA in STL (41.0) Ranks #2 in the NBA in PTS (328.0) Ranks #18 in the NBA in A/TO (2.69) Ranks #15 in the NBA in S/TO (1.05) Ranks #18 in the NBA in Double-Doubles (4.0) Ranks #7 in the NBA in FG/48 (10.87) Ranks #3 in the NBA in FGA/48 (26.07) Ranks #1 in the NBA in 3FG/48 (4.61) Ranks #10 in the NBA in A/48 (9.7) Ranks #1 in the NBA in STL/48 (3.78) Ranks #5 in the NBA in PTS/48 (30.2) Ranks #3 in the NBA in Total Efficiency Points (305.0) Vs. Pacers - 33 pts., 7 ast, 9 rbs, 2 stl Vs. Celtics - 17 pts., 5 ast., 3 rbs, 2 stl Vs. Nets - 25 pts., 12 ast., 9 rbs, 2 blks Vs. Blazers - 23 pts., 8 ast., 5 rbs, 2 stl Vs. Jazz - 23 pts., 9 ast., 4 rbs, 1 stl, 1 blk Vs. Mavericks - 25 pts., 4 ast., 5 rbs, 1 stl Vs. Bulls - 35 pts., 13 ast., 2 rbs, 5 stl Vs. Lakers - 23 pts., 12 ast., 1 rbs, 4 stl Vs. Sixers - 37 pts., 6 ast., 5 rbs, 4 stl Vs. Hawks - 13 pts., 4 ast., 3 rbs, 5 stl Vs. Celtics - 27 pts., 7 ast, 4 rbs, 5 stl Team Record - 9-4
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting VAs Finest:</div><div class="quote_post">B Diddy has been inconsistent in my eyes...one nite he could get 37 the next night he gets like 12 on 6-20 shotting...</div> Judging by the stats Wave posted he has only had two such games, his 17 point game and his 13 point game. As for his shooting, I saw an interesting stat. His overall shooting percentage is only 41%. That's about the same as last year I think. It's his three-point game that is bringing everything together now, shooting 41% in that area also I believe. I knew when healthy he can be a top five point guard, but right now I think there is no question he is number one.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Wave:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah, he is very inconsistant. Just look at these horrible stats! Ranks #2 in the NBA in PPG (25.2) Ranks #2 in the NBA in APG (8.1) Ranks #2 in the NBA in SPG (3.15) Ranks #6 in the NBA in MPG (40.1) Ranks #3 in the NBA in MIN (521.0) Ranks #3 in the NBA in FGM (118.0) Ranks #2 in the NBA in FGA (283.0) Ranks #1 in the NBA in 3PM (50.0) Ranks #1 in the NBA in 3PA (122.0) Ranks #2 in the NBA in AST (105.0) Ranks #2 in the NBA in STL (41.0) Ranks #2 in the NBA in PTS (328.0) Ranks #18 in the NBA in A/TO (2.69) Ranks #15 in the NBA in S/TO (1.05) Ranks #18 in the NBA in Double-Doubles (4.0) Ranks #7 in the NBA in FG/48 (10.87) Ranks #3 in the NBA in FGA/48 (26.07) Ranks #1 in the NBA in 3FG/48 (4.61) Ranks #10 in the NBA in A/48 (9.7) Ranks #1 in the NBA in STL/48 (3.78) Ranks #5 in the NBA in PTS/48 (30.2) Ranks #3 in the NBA in Total Efficiency Points (305.0) Vs. Pacers - 33 pts., 7 ast, 9 rbs, 2 stl Vs. Celtics - 17 pts., 5 ast., 3 rbs, 2 stl Vs. Nets - 25 pts., 12 ast., 9 rbs, 2 blks Vs. Blazers - 23 pts., 8 ast., 5 rbs, 2 stl Vs. Jazz - 23 pts., 9 ast., 4 rbs, 1 stl, 1 blk Vs. Mavericks - 25 pts., 4 ast., 5 rbs, 1 stl Vs. Bulls - 35 pts., 13 ast., 2 rbs, 5 stl Vs. Lakers - 23 pts., 12 ast., 1 rbs, 4 stl Vs. Sixers - 37 pts., 6 ast., 5 rbs, 4 stl Vs. Hawks - 13 pts., 4 ast., 3 rbs, 5 stl Vs. Celtics - 27 pts., 7 ast, 4 rbs, 5 stl Team Record - 9-4</div> The only thing I could bash Baron for is his shooting percentage this year. If this list is based on this season, I would definitley put Michael Redd in there. Hes averaging 22ppg and shooting 44% from 3 point land. Wave put up some good points as to who should be in there if its only this season, but I'm a little confused because you put Webber in there.
Well, there has been a couple inconsistent spots in there. I mean, he went from 33 down to 17 points, and than back up to 25 points in a one 3 game stretch. Than the last 3 games, 37, 13, 27. So, he has been inconsistent at times. But, overall, he's playing the best ball outta anyone else in the league.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Moo2K4:</div><div class="quote_post">Well, there has been a couple inconsistent spots in there. I mean, he went from 33 down to 17 points, and than back up to 25 points in a one 3 game stretch. Than the last 3 games, 37, 13, 27. So, he has been inconsistent at times. But, overall, he's playing the best ball outta anyone else in the league.</div> Honestly, every player has "bad" games. Michael had them as well as Wilt, Hakeem, Magic, and Bird. Some nights your shot falls while others it doesnt. I dont think his 17 point games can be considered "inconsistant" as most of his games have been in the 20-30 range each night. If we are calling Baron inconsistant because he has had a 37, 13, 27 back to back to back night performance then we must call Tim Duncan inconsistant for not getting 15 on a few nights while getting 35 on others.
I didn't say he's been inconsistent all season. I was just stating that there have been streaks this season. And, yea, I also realize that everyone has a bad game. But, yea, all I was trying to say was that there have been a couple games that haven't been very good. But, he was able to rebound from them. So, yea, that's all I was saying
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Moo2K4:</div><div class="quote_post">I didn't say he's been inconsistent all season. I was just stating that there have been streaks this season. And, yea, I also realize that everyone has a bad game. But, yea, all I was trying to say was that there have been a couple games that haven't been very good. But, he was able to rebound from them. So, yea, that's all I was saying</div>Compared to those other games, his thirteen point performance wasn't much. However, those games were still magnificant. Don't overlook those five steals. That's pretty impressive. I feel like steals and blocks are the two hardest stats to pile up.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting sunsfan1357:</div><div class="quote_post">However, they can also be the msot overrated stats...</div>I don't think that is nessicarily true. They really show a player's deffensive abilities. Through his back-to-back five steals and twenty points games we can draw the conclusion that Baron Davis is a well-adjusted player on both the offensive and deffensive ends of the floor. Overrated stats or not, there aren't many stats which Baron hasn't mastered yet.
You havta give Baron his props... him and Garnett are best in their conference repsectivley. Oh one thing about Baron as well... he looks in much better shape than he usually is.
this list is bs <font face="Franklin Gothic Medium">this list is sum serious ********.Baron Davis should at least b top 5. wut bout Rashard Lewis,Ray Allen,Emanuel Ginobli,Franchise,Matrix,Starbury,wer da respect?U betta take a betta look at da league.</font> <font color="Blue">PuRePOiNtG, please use correct grammar when posting here on JustBBall.com. Your posts are hard to comprehend because of the lack of proper grammar. Thanks - dexter</font>
TOP Players Man, when i go up and down these forums <font color="Navy">***No personal attacks, please</font> Who the hell would put randolph in the top 20? Ben Wallace? My god, can't u recognize talent? Vince Carter is the most underrated player in the nba.PERIOD. Name someone on your list who is relying on a rookie IE CHRIS BOSH, to be your teams second leading scorer? Vince gets zero help on offense and thus gets doubled and tripled all the time. He has no respect from the refs cause he gets knocked around with no calls. Try even coming close to Kobe and you will he all kinds of whistles. Vince had nobody on his team. Every one on your list has help all around them. They play on stacked teams and are asked to do alot less on both ends of the floor. WATCH A GAME <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Moo2K4:</div><div class="quote_post">That is one horrible list. Lets see here, well, first and foremost, you should really say what the NBA has to offer, cause, yea, none of those players are from any other league or even college. Now, 2nd, let's see here, if injuries play a part, why is Webber up there at all, he probably won't play a game til next year, Vince Carter probably shouldn't be on there cause of all his previous injury problems, KMart isn't top 20 and I don't think Zach Randolph is quite yet either, both good young players, but, there are others better. Next, where the hell do you get off calling TMac better than Shaq. TMac has been very incositent all year and his team sucks right now. Shaq has been good all year and his team is the best in the west right now. Oh, and the injury thing, Elton Brand shouldn't be in there also right now. Umm...Jermaine should be higher than Wallace. He's a much better overall player. Wallace can defend and dunk, Jermaine can do all that and than some. Stephon, if his team wasn't struggling, I'd put him ahead of everyone from 16 up to 11. And, finally, WHERE IN THE HELL IS SHAWN MARION????? He's better than at least Randolph and Wallace in my opinion. Hell, you don't even have him on honorable mention, but, you have Walker and Miller. I don't see either of them standing 6'7" and able to go for 17 and grab 10 night in night out. Ok, my little rant is over now. I'm done.</div> <font color="Blue">norespect, please follow the guidelines at all times. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Personal attacks, insults & attempts to publicly humiliate another member are strictly prohibited. Members may not post any messages that are discriminating, obscene, hateful, threatening otherwise violative of any laws. We demand that all members treat other members with respect. To help prevent any confusion as to what is harrasment and what is not, we kindly ask you to please keep sarcasm to a minimum.</div> Thank you, Wave</font>
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting norespect:</div><div class="quote_post">Man, when i go up and down these forums <font color="Navy">***No personal attacks, please</font> Who the hell would put randolph in the top 20? Ben Wallace? My god, can't u recognize talent? Vince Carter is the most underrated player in the nba.PERIOD. Name someone on your list who is relying on a rookie IE CHRIS BOSH, to be your teams second leading scorer? Vince gets zero help on offense and thus gets doubled and tripled all the time. He has no respect from the refs cause he gets knocked around with no calls. Try even coming close to Kobe and you will he all kinds of whistles. Vince had nobody on his team. Every one on your list has help all around them. They play on stacked teams and are asked to do alot less on both ends of the floor. WATCH A GAME </div> How can you seriously call Vince Carter underrated. That name and that word should never be used in the same sentence. Vince Carter, oh no, he never gets any whistles to go his way. Maybe that's why he's currently 14th in the NBA in free throw attempts with 81 and 9th in attempts per 48 min with 6.76. Maybe, just maybe if he was a little more aggressive, he'd get a few more attempts. Ever think that's why Kobe is #2 in attempts and #1 in attempts per 48 min. Than, the underrated part, I'm sorry, but, once you become a household name and everyone knows you, how can you seriously be underrated? If he was underrated, people wouldn't know exactly who he is. If you wanna talk underrated, lets talk Flip Murray, Troy Hudson (though many probably won't agree with that one), that's underrated. Carter has already done loads in his career. He's not underrated what-so-ever. And, yea, I'd love to say something about the Bosh thing and Carter having to rely on him to be his #2 man, actually, I will. How about the Nuggets and the Cavs relying on rookies to be their #1 players. Yea, so don't go trying to defend Bosh cause he has to be #2. Well, I think I've said about all that I want to say.
