oh yeah, a 32/7 guy that arguably has most heart of anyone in the nba is lucky to be in the top 10. and you officially have no room to talk after leaving kobe out of your top five. THAT'S a joke.
Nash not a good all around player?04-05: 15.5 ppg 11.5 apg 3.3 rpg .502 fg .431 3fg .887 ft05-06: 18.8 ppg 10.5 apg 4.2 rpg .512 fg .439 3fg .921 ft06-07 (through 4 games): 20.0 ppg 11.8 apg 2.0 rpg .540 fg .500 3fg .889 ftcareer: 13.5 ppg 7.1 apg 2.8 rpg .477 fg .422 3fg .896 ftHe's improved every year, even though he's 32. He looks ready for an 3rd mvp if his team starts winning. He's posting career highs in most categories this year.Sure his defense is weak, but Phoenix's offense relies on help defense. Since Nash is usually guarding the primary ball handler he's not the one racking up the stats. If Phoenix wins 55+ Nash will be MVP for the 3rd straight year, count on it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Nov 9 2006, 12:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You didn't seriously put AI in front of Dirk? That is a joke. AI is lucky to be in the top 10.</div>Yep....33/7/3/2 on 45% shooting is a real joke, right? 9 seasons of 2SPG is a joke, right? 4 seasons of over 30PPG (more than Pierce, Mac, Kobe, etc..) is a joke, right? 7 seasons of averaging more PPG than Dirk's best season is a joke too, right? All of his accolades, including leading a team not even half as talented as what Dirk had last year to the Finals is a joke, right? Oh, and he didn't choke like your Dirk, either (he averaged 36/6/4/2 in Finals, and gave Lakers only loss of playoffs).AI deserves to be in top 5, and to say he is lucky to be in top 10 is fu*king stupid.
you're out of your mind if you think steve nash is going to win 3 MVPs in a row. I don't even know what to say to that. EDIT: this was referring to pff's post.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Yep....33/7/3/2 on 45% shooting is a real joke, right? 9 seasons of 2SPG is a joke, right? 4 seasons of over 30PPG (more than Pierce, Mac, Kobe, etc..) is a joke, right? 7 seasons of averaging more PPG than Dirk's best season is a joke too, right? All of his accolades, including leading a team not even half as talented as what Dirk had last year to the Finals is a joke, right? Oh, and he didn't choke like your Dirk, either (he averaged 36/6/4/2 in Finals, and gave Lakers only loss of playoffs).</div>Dont forget he has the 2nd highest playoff average in <u>NBA History.</u>Oh well, That's not important. He sucks.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nba dogmatist @ Nov 9 2006, 12:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>you're out of your mind if you think steve nash is going to win 3 MVPs in a row. I don't even know what to say to that. EDIT: this was referring to pff's post.</div>Nobody but me thought he would win last year.Guess what happened? He won.I know what I'm saying.If Phoenix wins 55+ Nash will win his 3rd mvp.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Nov 9 2006, 12:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Nobody but me thought he would win last year.Guess what happened? He won.I know what I'm saying.If Phoenix wins 55+ Nash will win his 3rd mvp.</div>He was lucky to win his 2nd one. The award should have gone to Kobe Bryant last season.I would be willing to bet if the Suns won 60 games, He would stll not win the MVP award.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Nov 8 2006, 11:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Nobody but me thought he would win last year.Guess what happened? He won.I know what I'm saying.If Phoenix wins 55+ Nash will win his 3rd mvp.</div>obviously you weren't the only one that thought he would win it. otherwise he wouldn't have won it. don't be stupid, plenty of people predicted, myself included. I can 100% guarantee that Steve Nash will NOT win 3 mvp's in a row. the league simply would not let that happen. there are better players than him around the league, a handful of them.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BALLAHOLLIC? @ Nov 9 2006, 12:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He was lucky to win his 2nd one. The award should have gone to Kobe Bryant last season.I would be willing to bet if the Suns won 60 games, He would stll not win the MVP award.</div>I'll bet it. No money though, I'm broke.
I will give you my admin spot for an entire week if that happens. Save this post for future reference.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nba dogmatist @ Nov 9 2006, 12:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>obviously you weren't the only one that thought he would win it. otherwise he wouldn't have won it. don't be stupid, plenty of people predicted, myself included. I can 100% guarantee that Steve Nash will NOT win 3 mvp's in a row. the league simply would not let that happen. there are better players than him around the league, a handful of them.</div>Journalists and TV people vote for the mvp. They love to rant about players who embrace the team game and make their teamates better. There is not a single one of those voters who does not love to watch Nash. I they win 55+ it shows he must be doing something right. Plust the TV people love to talk about the fast-paced offense.Depends on what how you define the best. But Nash has made his team better and the NBA is headed in that direction.Congrats if you really picked Nash to win his 2nd, but you're wrong to not predict a 3rd if his team wins 55+.Why wouldn't the league allow it?<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BALLAHOLLIC? @ Nov 9 2006, 12:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I will give you my admin spot for an entire week if that happens. Save this post for future reference.</div>ok, I'll wear a kobe sig if it doesn't happen
45% for Iverson was a career high for him in shooting. He is in the same category as Kobe when it comes to scoring a ton of points and his team is mediocre. Jordan is the only one that has had success scoring 30+ points by shooting perimeter shots. I don't care what you think either. You only care about point totals and don't his all around game. His defense is as bad as Nash's and is careless with the ball as well.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Nov 9 2006, 01:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>45% for Iverson was a career high for him in shooting. He is in the same category as Kobe when it comes to scoring a ton of points and his team is mediocre. Jordan is the only one that has had success scoring 30+ points by shooting perimeter shots. I don't care what you think either. You only care about point totals and don't his all around game. His defense is as bad as Nash's and is careless with the ball as well.</div>Ok, it was a career high...and? We are talking about here and now, and he is better than ever, as is Dirk. I dont get what you mean by the Jordan comment. I don't care about his all around game? So putting up 7+ assists, getting 2 steals, being clutch, leading crappy teams, and showing more heart than anyone else in league outsid eof maybe KG is not being an all around player? You can say his defense is weak, but Dirk's isn't exactly amazing, either. Dirk does nothing outside of score and rebound, and AI is a better scorer to begin with.
Some of you guys have to start watching Lakers games, because what Kobe is doing right now (mixed with what he has done) is really showing how amazing of a basketball player he is. Everybody knows he can shoot. He can shoot with a hand in his face, he can shoot falling away, falling down, with his left hand. Bottom line the man can shoot the ball. But the knock on him last year was that he couldn't drive any more. People were talking about him just settling for jumpers and not getting to the hoop. So far this season, he has one three pointer in four games. It was amazing seeing Kobe knife through the defense tonight. He was getting through four people easily, throwing up reverses and and1's like it was nothing. He's proved he's still a top 3 slasher in the league.His passing is another thing. People have always knocked him on it. He's showing that not only can/will he pass, but he's pretty good. He's feeding Bynum extremely well. He's driving and kicking the ball out fantastically. Some are saying that he's only getting the assists because he's passing so much and getting a lot of turnovers. I'd say about 60 or 70% of his turnovers this season are when he gets doubled and loses it dribbling, not passing.One aspect he's been doing well in is rebounding. I never noticed this but he really has a nack for it. The numbers only say four, but he only really goes and tries to get the rebound 4 or 5 times a game. I can name 7 or 8 times where the ball came off the rim ,he got to the perfect spot, elevated and got the rebound over someone much taller than him. He's also gotten into it with a couple of 7 footers and tipped it to a teammate a few times.These improvements are telling me one thing, Kobe Bryant is the most complete player in the league. He's the best scorer in the game (he can both drive and shoot), he's an above average passer, he's an above average rebounder for a guard, and he's one of the best defensive two's in the league. How the hell does this guy not make your top 5?And PFF, that's stupid. Nobody in their right mind would vote in the same guy as MVP 3 years in a row in this day and age. Especially after how controvercial and close the other two were. He'd have to put up something like 14 or 15 assists and lead the Suns to like 65 wins before they'd vote Nash MVP a 3rd straight time.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lakaboy42 @ Nov 9 2006, 01:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He's proved he's still a top 3 slasher in the league.</div>I disagree. At the very least, Bron, Wade, AI and Nash are better slashers. Everything else you are dead on about.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Nov 8 2006, 10:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I disagree. At the very least, Bron, Wade, AI and Nash are better slashers. Everything else you are dead on about.</div>I can see where you're coming from not having seen Kobe yet. But with his frame and mindset this season, look for the bulk of his points to come in the lane. That being said, look for him to get at least one big injury involving his ankle.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lakaboy42 @ Nov 9 2006, 01:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I can see where you're coming from not having seen Kobe yet. But with his frame and mindset this season, look for the bulk of his points to come in the lane. That being said, look for him to get at least one big injury involving his ankle.</div>I saw 1 game of Kobe this season, vs Seattle, but I don't need to see much more than that. Eventually he is going to attract more attention and going to be forced to shoot jumpers like he does every year. When that happens his FG % will go down, and FGA's and PPG will go up.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Nov 8 2006, 10:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I saw 1 game of Kobe this season, vs Seattle, but I don't need to see much more than that. Eventually he is going to attract more attention and going to be forced to shoot jumpers like he does every year. When that happens his FG % will go down, and FGA's and PPG will go up.</div>A lot has changed in 5 days. His last two games all his points have been off drives. I think a lot of it has to do with Lamar and Bynum. They can't double and triple Kobe with a legitimite threat down low and with another scorer on the wing. If those guys can continue to play the way they're playing or close to it (about 20/7/5 for Odom and 11/9 from Bynum would do it) then Kobe will be able to cut to the basket at will. If not, and he starts getting coverage from two or three guys then I agree with you.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Nov 9 2006, 10:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The only difference is Kobe never did anything with Odom while Michael got 6 championships with Pippen. Terrible comparison. Kobe doesn't know how to work with a team chemistry wise and never has. Shaq though is the perfect chemistry player.</div>I will never take you seriously again. Your ignorance and stupidity is beyond belief. I will not even go into detail how stupid that statement is.
Just speaken how I think the offense flows through Shaq compared to how it did with Kobe. Going to the low post allows more opportunites and higher percentage shots than just giving it to Kobe on the perimeter. Sure Kobe can get hot but the offense doesn't flow as well in the long run. You know I dislike Shaq more but that doesn't mean I don't think he's effective.
