<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Nov 9 2006, 05:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Just speaken how I think the offense flows through Shaq compared to how it did with Kobe. Going to the low post allows more opportunites and higher percentage shots than just giving it to Kobe on the perimeter. Sure Kobe can get hot but the offense doesn't flow as well in the long run. You know I dislike Shaq more but that doesn't mean I don't think he's effective.</div>Ah you meant on the basketball court. Sorry then, I thought you were talking off the court.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (austingriz76 @ Nov 8 2006, 08:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No order...LeBron JamesDwyane WadeKobe BryantKevin GarnettRon Artest(yeah I said it)</div>how do you have Artest in the top 5 when their are franchise players like Duncan, Dirk, Nash, Iverson, and about 15 other more deserving candidates. He is a good defensive player, but he is no where near the top 5. That is god awful.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ballerman2112 @ Nov 10 2006, 12:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>how do you have Artest in the top 5 when their are franchise players like Duncan, Dirk, Nash, Iverson, and about 15 other more deserving candidates. He is a good defensive player, but he is no where near the top 5. That is god awful.</div>No kidding. There are also a lot of Duncan haters and he should be in the top 5 of everyones list. He is the fundamental and does everything good if not great.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Nov 9 2006, 12:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>45% for Iverson was a career high for him in shooting. He is in the same category as Kobe when it comes to scoring a ton of points and his team is mediocre. Jordan is the only one that has had success scoring 30+ points by shooting perimeter shots. I don't care what you think either. You only care about point totals and don't his all around game. His defense is as bad as Nash's and is careless with the ball as well.</div>the reason the sixers had a bad record was bad defense, the reason the lakers had a bad record is that they had one of the youngest teams in the league with no third option at all, AND THEY STILL MADE THE PLAYOFFS, pushing to 7 games with phoenix.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nba dogmatist @ Nov 10 2006, 12:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>the reason the sixers had a bad record was bad defense, the reason the lakers had a bad record is that they had one of the youngest teams in the league with no third option at all, AND THEY STILL MADE THE PLAYOFFS, pushing to 7 games with phoenix.</div>And who's to blame for the bad defense of the sixers? The key to having a great defense is having a point guard that can put pressure and stay with his man to hurt the plays. Iverson uses defense to take a break or go for steals which lead to easy baskets. Sure he scores a lot but so what if he gives it up right back.
It's so hard to make these, wow. These are my top 5:1. Kobe Bryant2. Tim Duncan3. LeBron James4. Dwyane Wade5. Dirk NowitzkiT-Mac is on there when healthy, by the way.
I dont know if its the fact that Kobe is still hurt and recovering, or he has realized that he has good teammates now or what, but I dont think you can put Kobe at #1 anymore. I hate to say this because the Lakers are doing so well right now, and him playing unselfish is bringing out his great passing skills, but with guys like Lebron and Wade totally dominating the stat sheets, its hard for me to put him back at #1. This wont make sense to some people, but its just the way I feel. He has been #1 all along because of his scoring ability...Although, im sure he will be different once he regains health.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Nov 8 2006, 10:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>45% for Iverson was a career high for him in shooting. He is in the same category as Kobe when it comes to scoring a ton of points and his team is mediocre. Jordan is the only one that has had success scoring 30+ points by shooting perimeter shots. I don't care what you think either. You only care about point totals and don't his all around game. His defense is as bad as Nash's and is careless with the ball as well.</div>Congradulations on showing that ou never even watched AI play last season. There is a reason his fg% went up. Last season AI had a much better shot selection and was playing much smarter. He wasn't forcing shots as much and was focusing on getting teammates the ball more. He has carried on that play to this season and it's showing. He's also working on getting a more consistant jumper. Why don't you actually watch him play sometime this season instead of just listening to the media. Ok?1. Kobe Bryant2. LeBron James3. Dwyane Wade4. Kevin Garnett5a. Tim Duncan5b. Allen Iverson
Glad I'm talking to a non-biased fan. (Iversonfan268). Oh by the way did the sixers make the playoffs?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ballerman2112 @ Nov 9 2006, 07:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I dont know if its the fact that Kobe is still hurt and recovering, or he has realized that he has good teammates now or what, but I dont think you can put Kobe at #1 anymore. I hate to say this because the Lakers are doing so well right now, and him playing unselfish is bringing out his great passing skills, but with guys like Lebron and Wade totally dominating the stat sheets, its hard for me to put him back at #1. This wont make sense to some people, but its just the way I feel. He has been #1 all along because of his scoring ability...Although, im sure he will be different once he regains health.</div>They had 2 good games without Kobe. 2! With Kobe they are 2-1, beating a weak Seattle team who can't finish off games and a decent Minnesota team. They then showed the team they were last year with the loss to the Blazers. They are still a bunch of underachieving journeymen, and their young players are still very raw. Lamar is a great player....but not with Kobe. With Kobe he is still scared to become a factor and be agressive.Kobe, if anything, has shown even more this season why he is #1 as he has shown off his passing skills. What surprised me last year about Kobe was NOT his scoring ability....I always knew he had that. What surprised me is how he totally carried that team until they somewhat came into their own. He showed fantastic leadership, something he hadn't shown in the past. He showed in playoffs he could become a great playmaker, and light it up when need be. What makes Kobe #1 is not just his scoring ability (which is the best in the NBA). It's his leadership, his defense (something Wade or Bron can't say), his clutch ability (something Bron can't say), and all that ontop of his rebounding/passing/overall play, it's no surprise why he is #1.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Nov 9 2006, 06:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Glad I'm talking to a non-biased fan. (Iversonfan268). Oh by the way did the sixers make the playoffs?</div>Are you calling me biased? You honestly know nothing about me other than my favorite player and team so I suggest you don't assume things and actually watch Iverson play like I said instead of assuming that I am just a biased fan making things up. BTW I'm sure BigMo will back up my statements so I guess he's biased also . You just don't watch AI play and listen to what the media says about him. BTW who are you calling biased? Your the one who thinks Dirk is better than KG
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (iversonfan268 @ Nov 9 2006, 09:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>BTW I'm sure BigMo will back up my statements so I guess he's biased also .</div>Put me on that list, too!mavsfan, you shouldn't call anyone biased. ANYONE! I have heard you say some of the most foolish and biased things on this site.
I put KG as the second best player. Iverson wasn't 2 games from a championship and knocking off the defending world champion like Dirk did.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Nov 9 2006, 09:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I put KG as the second best player. Iverson wasn't 2 games from a championship and knocking off the defending world champion like Dirk did.</div>He was 3 games off....with a worse supporting cast (much worse)....against a considerably better team than the Heat...and he didnt choke like Dirk.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Nov 9 2006, 06:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>And who's to blame for the bad defense of the sixers? The key to having a great defense is having a point guard that can put pressure and stay with his man to hurt the plays. Iverson uses defense to take a break or go for steals which lead to easy baskets. Sure he scores a lot but so what if he gives it up right back.</div>the key to a good defense is a good defensive point guard? what BS! the key toa great defense is shot blockers, not a pg. it is actually a rarity to find a pg that plays good defense in the league. so what you're saying is, allen iverson's man scores over 30 points a night? give me a break, you're just hating.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Nov 9 2006, 08:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I put KG as the second best player. Iverson wasn't 2 games from a championship and knocking off the defending world champion like Dirk did.</div>okay let's see.. Iverson is one of the highest scorers in nba history, has I think second most points in the postseason in nba history, had a horrible supporting cast compared to dirk's mavs team, played against a better team. Dirk wasn't even the best player on the team in the finals. it was clearly jason terry. and by the way, that mavs team only won one more game than the sixers team did.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Nov 10 2006, 02:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He was 3 games off....with a worse supporting cast (much worse)....against a considerably better team than the Heat...and he didnt choke like Dirk.</div>The only reason he got that close is because the east was that weak. No way would he ever reach the finals if he was in the west. Also having one of the best defensive centers of all-time and the perfect role player to Iverson's offense would I call that weak. Yeah not as good as Dirk's but it's obvious Dirk's team would kill the sixers team that went to the finals.
