1. Steve Nash2. Jason Kidd3. Chauncey Billups4. Deron Williams5. Baron Davis6. Chris Paul7. Tony Parker8. Kirk Hinrich9. Andre Miller10. Raymond FeltonI have always thought CP was a bit overrated...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SunnyD @ May 27 2007, 07:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>1. Steve Nash2. Jason Kidd3. Gilbert Arenas4. Chauncey Billups5. Baron Davis6. Chris Paul7. Tony Parker 8. Deron Williams9. Kirk Hinrich10. Andre MillerPacers Fan Forever, I left off your boy Jamaal Tinsley. Sorry dude.</div>Deron Williams deserves to be 4th in my opinion....Amazing point guard...My list would be:1. Steve Nash2. Jason Kidd3. Gilbert Arenas4. Deron Williams5. Chauncey Billups6. Chris Paul7. Baron Davis8. Tony Parker9. Kirk Hinrich10. TJ FordPerson who would be 11th if this list were going to 11: Andre Miller!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ May 28 2007, 06:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Deron Williams deserves to be 4th in my opinion....Amazing point guard...My list would be:1. Steve Nash2. Jason Kidd3. Gilbert Arenas4. Deron Williams5. Chauncey Billups6. Chris Paul7. Baron Davis8. Tony Parker9. Kirk Hinrich10. TJ FordPerson who would be 11th if this list were going to 11: Andre Miller!</div>No way not over Chauncey Billups. Billups is the second best defender at the position, thanks to his incredible strength. He's got to be the strongest PG in the league. Great post up player. Don't forget, he is one of the clutchest players in the league, and a great passer. He has big time experience in the playoffs, and in my opinion, is better overall than Deron Williams.I'm not so sure that Deron Williams is better than Chris Paul, and I agree that Baron Davis is better than Deron Williams.Gilbert Arenas at 6 is terrible Zards.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SunnyD @ May 28 2007, 07:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No way not over Chauncey Billups. Billups is the second best defender at the position, thanks to his incredible strength. He's got to be the strongest PG in the league. Great post up player. Don't forget, he is one of the clutchest players in the league, and a great passer. He has big time experience in the playoffs, and in my opinion, is better overall than Deron Williams.I'm not so sure that Deron Williams is better than Chris Paul, and I agree that Baron Davis is better than Deron Williams.Gilbert Arenas at 6 is terrible Zards.</div>I think they are equal scoring wise. Deron is probably better at driving, but Chauncey can obviously shoot the three ball really well. Passing wise, I would give Deron the edge without a doubt. It's hard to get a ton of assists when you play in the Utah Jazz's system. He has amazing court vision, and he is amazing at feeding Boozer inside.For his playoff effort, I've ranked him over Billups. If it is just based on the regular season, then maybe Chauncey has the slight edge.
Nitro, explain your reasoning for Chris Paul being overrated and why you have him all the way down at 6.
We can agree to disagree. Chauncey can post up, and he's got the three ball going for him...but Deron can create for himself better, and he is the better driver. Look at the stats if you want more proof.Yeah, Chauncey averaged 1 more ppg than Deron during the regular season, but at a lower clip. Deron shot 46%, and Chauncey shot only 42%...so Chauncey obviously took more shots...that doesn't mean he is the better scorer. Deron is just too unselfish at times..In the playoffs, Deron has averaged more than Chauncey...especially recently against the Spurs...He is averaging 30 and 9 :worthy: so that is another reason why I am putting him over Billups..because of his recent play.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ May 28 2007, 06:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Passing wise, I would give Deron the edge without a doubt. It's hard to get a ton of assists when you play in the Utah Jazz's system.</div>Say whaaaaaaa?With constant pick and rolls with Boozer and Okur, he has plenty of oppertunity to get a ton of assists. If anything, Billups has a harder time getting assists with Webber now in Detroit.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Nitro, explain your reasoning for Chris Paul being overrated and why you have him all the way down at 6.</div>Mostly because outside of being a great playmaker, he doesn't do anything real well and because of his ROY campaign he got a ton of hype that he hasn't quite lived up to.As for my ranking, the top 3 are pretty self-explanitory with Nash, Kidd and Billups. I feel Deron is just about as good of a playmaker, but clearly the better scorer. All other areas are just about even. Baron is not the playmaker CP3 is, but I feel what he can do as a scorer makes him very dangerous and gives him the edge over Paul.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ May 28 2007, 07:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Mostly because outside of being a great playmaker, he doesn't do anything real well and because of his ROY campaign he got a ton of hype that he hasn't quite lived up to.As for my ranking, the top 3 are pretty self-explanitory with Nash, Kidd and Billups. I feel Deron is just about as good of a playmaker, but clearly the better scorer. All other areas are just about even. Baron is not the playmaker CP3 is, but I feel what he can do as a scorer makes him very dangerous and gives him the edge over Paul.</div>I agree with your top 3 of Nash/Kidd/Chauncey, but I just think CP3 is so unique. I guess it really comes down to what you prefer, when you're ranking things like this. Personally, I'm a big fan of the pure floor general that makes everybody around him better and can make something out of nothing. That's why I have Chris Paul at 4. He's also a pretty solid defender.With that said, Deron Williams is my favorite point guard in the league by far, so I do like the versatile power guards too (although Deron is also an outstanding playmaker to go along with it), but I just think true playmakers/creators like Paul are so rare/unique that I can't rate him any lower. Baron Davis is certainly more <u>talented</u>, but I think Paul is more valuable.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (808Hornetsfan @ May 27 2007, 10:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>so that's why no one has him up there. I'll take Iverson off and replace him with Arenas. then.</div>It's because AI is a SG that's he's not on peoples list. He didn't play PG for Denver. Steve Blake did.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ May 28 2007, 07:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>With that said, Deron Williams is my favorite point guard in the league by far, so I do like the versatile power guards too (although Deron is also an outstanding playmaker to go along with it), but I just think true playmakers/creators like Paul are so rare/unique that I can't rate him any lower. Baron Davis is certainly more <u>talented</u>, but I think Paul is more valuable.</div>Bingo, that's why I have Williams over Paul. He is clearly the better scorer, and about equal in all other areas (playmaking, defense, rebounding, etc...). When you say valuable, what do you mean by that? If you mean valuable to team, then you can make a case for T-Mac being the best in the league. Baron is also extremely valuable to his team as they were garbage without him the past 2 years. (along with Hornets without him....weren't they around 15 wins without him?).But you're right, totally depends on what you consider when ranking these guys. Personally I put who I consider the better overall player who plays that certain position, not necassarily the player who plays the position to its purest form. Gilbert Arenas is an exception as I just don't consider him a PG.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ May 28 2007, 08:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Bingo, that's why I have Williams over Paul. He is clearly the better scorer, and about equal in all other areas (playmaking, defense, rebounding, etc...).When you say valuable, what do you mean by that? If you mean valuable to team, then you can make a case for T-Mac being the best in the league. Baron is also extremely valuable to his team as they were garbage without him the past 2 years. (along with Hornets without him....weren't they around 15 wins without him?).</div>As much as I love Deron, I don't think he's an equal playmaker to Chris Paul (for some reason, I don't think I worded this sentence correctly). I think Paul is unique and having a pure playmaker like that is rare. That's the difference between Isiah Thomas and John Stockton to me (and no, this isn't calling either Deron or Paul, Isiah/Stockton)... Isiah may have been more physically skilled and he may have put up the bigger numbers when you combine his scoring/assist totals, but Stockton was that much more valuable to his team because of his pure playmaking ability. Again, this isn't comparing Deron/CP3 to them, but I think you understand what I mean by that.Also, I think pound for pound, Chris Paul is the more impressive rebounding guard. He's 6'0'' on a good day and he's still fighting underneath for boards and loose balls.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>But you're right, totally depends on what you consider when ranking these guys. Personally I put who I consider the better overall player who plays that certain position, not necassarily the player who plays the position to its purest form. Gilbert Arenas is an exception as I just don't consider him a PG.</div>Agreed about Gilbert, which is why I left him off my list as well.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ May 28 2007, 08:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Say whaaaaaaa?With constant pick and rolls with Boozer and Okur, he has plenty of oppertunity to get a ton of assists. If anything, Billups has a harder time getting assists with Webber now in Detroit.Mostly because outside of being a great playmaker, he doesn't do anything real well and because of his ROY campaign he got a ton of hype that he hasn't quite lived up to.As for my ranking, the top 3 are pretty self-explanitory with Nash, Kidd and Billups. I feel Deron is just about as good of a playmaker, but clearly the better scorer. All other areas are just about even. Baron is not the playmaker CP3 is, but I feel what he can do as a scorer makes him very dangerous and gives him the edge over Paul.</div>Yeah, they do pick and rolls...but they don't have alot of shooters, and they don't have guys who will just catch and shoot...I know what you mean...I probably shouldnt have said that.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Passing wise, I would give Deron the edge without a doubt. It's hard to get a ton of assists when you play in the Utah Jazz's system.</div>Right, the system that produced John Stockton is difficult to get assists in.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ May 28 2007, 07:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>As much as I love Deron, I don't think he's an equal playmaker to Chris Paul (for some reason, I don't think I worded this sentence correctly). I think Paul is unique and having a pure playmaker like that is rare. That's the difference between Isiah Thomas and John Stockton to me (and no, this isn't calling either Deron or Paul, Isiah/Stockton)... Isiah may have been more physically skilled and he may have put up the bigger numbers when you combine his scoring/assist totals, but Stockton was that much more valuable to his team because of his pure playmaking ability. Again, this isn't comparing Deron/CP3 to them, but I think you understand what I mean by that.</div>I said he is about equal, meaning there is small difference between the 2 in each area outside of scoring. I'd give Paul a slight edge as a playmaker, but by a slim margin. He has more raw skills as a PG, but Williams is really running the Jazz offense about as well as it can be run and his 9.3APG as a sophomore is a real testament to that.
1. Steve Nash2. Jason Kidd3. Chauncey Billups4. Chris Paul5. Deron Williams6. Baron Davis7. Tony Parker8. Kirk Hinrich9. Andre Miller10. Raymond FeltonMine pretty much looks alot like Nitro's, except I have Chris Paul, Deron Williams and Baron Davis's switched around.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (valo35 @ May 28 2007, 09:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>1. Steve Nash2. Jason Kidd3. Chauncey Billups4. Chris Paul5. Deron Williams6. Baron Davis7. Tony Parker8. Kirk Hinrich9. Andre Miller10. Raymond FeltonMine pretty much looks alot like Nitro's, except I have Chris Paul, Deron Williams and Baron Davis's switched around.</div>Deron Williams is much better than Chauncey Billups
At this point in time, Billups is a better defensive player, a better scorer, can set up and run an offense just as well, can push the fast break just as well as Deron Williams, is the best clutch scoring point guard in the league in my opinion. I really don't see why you would even joke around saying something like that.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (valo35 @ May 28 2007, 10:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>At this point in time, Billups is a better defensive player, a better scorer, can set up and run an offense just as well, can push the fast break just as well as Deron Williams, is the best clutch scoring point guard in the league in my opinion. I really don't see why you would even joke around saying something like that.</div>Deron Williams is a much better scorer and passer, probably better shooter, and posses great team defensive ability. He puts up better stats, shoots 50% from the field, gives the ball to the right guy. Just imagine what a guy like him could do on a team like Detroit's. He would be absolutely amazing.
Are you serious? Chauncey Billups has the ability to go off and score more points on any given night than Deron Williams has. He can score in a bigger variety of ways, able to get to the rim and score, as well as able to hit the mid range jumpers, and the three point shots. Deron Williams hasn't shown this ability to hit outside shots like that consistently. He is a better defensive player, scorer, clutch scorer, is a better leader at this point in time, minus passing there is nothing that Deron Williams does better than Chauncey Billups, and Billups isn't to bad there either.
