Toronto is a good example of why we should stay the course

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  1. Mediocre Man

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    In what way other than 3pt shooting?
     
  2. Mediocre Man

    Mediocre Man Mr. SportsTwo

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    Also several years of seeing them play
     
  3. Mediocre Man

    Mediocre Man Mr. SportsTwo

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    Just thought you'd like to talk basketball, since you complained about others not doing it.

    Was that you? You all run together
     
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    Nope.
     
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    Why would you say “other than 3pt shooting “? That’s a huge skill in today’s NBA and CJ is much better at it than Ellis. On that basis alone he’s the superior player.
     
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    Let me ask you this. If you had a choice of Ellis at 26 or McCollum at 26 who would you choose.
     
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    Neither as a SG next to Dame... 2 undersized ISO ball chuckers making half the salary cap will never be a legitimate contender
     
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    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Let's compare CJ at 26 to Ellis at 25--his last full year in Oakland
    http://bkref.com/tiny/a6zBn

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    Raw stats favor Ellis, pace adjusted and advanced stats are both pretty close. Really not much separation either way.
     
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    Like i said i hate defensive stats. But CJ indeed does actually defend his position as opposed to other shooting guards that do not even try to defend players of that caliber. Very well used argument on defense states the problems when you try to validate a "Plus Defender" when every game you play you are coming up against some of the greatest scoring players in the game at the very highest level.
    I believe CJ has indeed improved on the defensive end. He does little things that create disruptions that give players he is guarding problems. However he is only 6'-3" so he has his limitations. He is smart and willing to make a smart move like the one he was penalized heavily for in game four. That should have been a common playoff foul. CJ understands the game very well.
    Now if you would like i can make a statistical comparison to Monta Ellis but why? Defensive stats and situations are garbage at best. And in the end the offensive production pretty much makes this a mute point at best.
    Monta Ellis's career defensive rating is 109
    CJ's career defensive rating is 110
    I would much rather have CJ on the Blazers.
     
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    That is awesome work. And really it's the point i was making. But defensive stats really are tough to rely on.
    In the end they are pretty close but CJ is a much better offensive player.
     
  11. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    The comparison is close enough that it supports the idea that they dumped him because Steph/Monta wasn't a good long term pairing, and we are seeing similar issues with Dame/CJ.

    If only we had dealt CJ for Paul George and drafted Mitchell..... :sigh:
     
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    If only.... But i really didn't know Mitchell was gonna be that good so i never would have thought of it. Then of course i wonder if Paul George would have wanted to come here without CJ being here also?
    Maybe in the future i will be able to see these things before we have to make a decision. Then i can get it right every time. Championship will only be a year or two in the making and we will be perennial contenders.
     
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    I would rather have CJ than Monta also. But, I would rather have a defensive SG taller than 6'4" more than either of them.
     
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    I would choose neither of them. That's the point. Golden State dumped Ellis because Steph/Monta was a bad combination.
     
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    Then what is Boston right now? Their young players are playing great.
     
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    No, but it could make both teams worse.
     
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    Trust the process!
     
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    In the East?
     
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    Excuse after excuse... these people are just brainwashed by Neil Olshey... Blazers maybe one of youngest team by average but not by its star players... Dame and CJ will be 28 and 27... Boston lost its 2 best players and is winning with much younger and inexperienced stars than Blazers
     
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