Because O'Neal has declined to below average starter and is making a huge amount of money. Name recognition aside, he's a negative to this deal. Calderon is good, but has enough negatives that he's not a star. Outlaw and Bayless (and taking on O'Neal's awful contract) is a steep price for Calderon.
I like Calderon but I think Mike Bibby makes 10000x's more sense for this team. But the way Blake is playing would KP even want to make a deal right now? Bibby Roy Batum Aldridge Oden I like this lineup when we make our push in the playoffs.
which raises the question, if they're getting the production they want out of JO, why trade him only to have to go back out into free agency and try to fill that need all over again, and in the meantime trade away the number two assist man in the league? And I totally agree with other people who think that this is a terrible deal for Portland. Can you imagine how porous our perimeter defense would be with Calderon/Sergio at the one? Also, what value is there in paying JO 23 million a year to play 15 minutes a game? Backup power forward is the least of this team's concern, that's something to address during the summer when Diogu and Channing are (potentially) off the books, and I'm not crazy about Calderon's two-way game.
You just said it was a good deal a few posts before. Anyways, our PG defense is bad, whether with Calderon/Sergio, or with Blake/Sergio. The only question is, would you take Blake's slightly better defense for Calderon's upgrade on offense? I would, but that's just me. Now that I think about it, JO might not be great, since we don't need him to produce. With that said, there would be no reason for Toronto to send him. So just take Raef and JO out. Then add a filler on Toronto's end. Would you do it then?
Zero interest on my part in trading for Calderon. Watching the game today and thinking back on all of the conversation in the past about getting this guy as our starting PG and...well color me completely underwhelmed by the guy. I'd rather stick with Blake any day.
I did say that, but only because it was such an unbalanced trade in terms of value, in terms of actual fit for each team it would be a bad deal for both.
3pt% RPG APG SPG BPG PPG 43.3 2.2 4.2 0.7 - 11.4 - Blake 42.2 3.1 9.6 0.8 0.1 12.8 - Calderon Calderon is significantly better than Blake at every aspect of the game except for 3PT%, which Blake only betters him by 1%. Calderon would be the final piece to this team if we could get him. Dude average nearly a double double with points and dimes. That being said, no way Toronto does any of these deals.
Calderon is a huge upgrade on Blake as a play-maker, and a significant downgrade on defense. Everything else is close enough to a wash as to be pretty inconsequential. Of course, Calderon is playing pretty much to expectations, while Blake is having a career year. That should be considered. Calderon is what I wish Sergio was. But I'm not sure I'd deal Bayless (let alone both Bayless and Outlaw) for him. If he were a good defender, sure...but then he'd be untouchable. Bayless has a chance to be a very good defender and a plus offensive player, with enough passing to complement Roy.
I am sorry but this is a very deceptive way to compare them. Blake gets his numbers playing next to Roy who actually controls the ball and plays PG for at least a quarter per game. The real question is to ask - is Calderon going to give you the same kind of production when he is playing SG and has to defer to Brandon? The APG will defintely not be there - who knows how well he shoots when he is not dominating the ball. Looking at JC - he is an upgrade over Blake offensively - but that upgrade is going to be much smaller than you think when you compare them head-to-head without remembering that Blake is having his best seasons playing next to Roy - but who knows what taking the ball away from JC will do. Add the fact that as bad as Blake's D has been this year - JC is even worse - and I honestly do not think this is a worthwhile upgrade - especially not for the price of Bayless.
he's only significantly better in assists and he likely wouldn't get nearly as many playing with roy. he is a little better in most categories and probably would be a worthwhile upgrade, but obviously not at the cost of one of the big 3 which is what it would take to get him.
I'm sorry but I don't see how I'm being deceptive when your just using speculation. Steve Blake is having a career year next to Roy, there is just as much case using your argument that Calderon would have a career year playing next to Roy. You cant say the assists will "definitely not be there", he would have more options to dish it to in Portland and he would get more open looks. Stats hold more weight then your "what ifs"
Playing the stats game isn't much help in deciding whether Calderon or Blake is a better fit for the Blazers. Calderon plays 7 more minutes per game than Steve does and he doesn't have a guy like Brandon Roy who wants (and should have) the ball in his hands as much as he does. Those things influence their stat lines. I don't really care for Calderon's attitude, with his constant griping after every call that goes against him. I like Steve's quiet way of taking care of business and the tough as nails character that lets him nail a shot like he did today. Calderon has an ego...Steve just does what needs to be done. He's a better defender and a better teammate. No contest in my book.
From the article about the Raptors wanting to IMPROVE their team (not be fleeced, in other words): Members of the Raps' entourage still were chuckling at Denver coach George Karl's stories about the late legendary college coach Abe Lemons. One game when the fiery Lemons stomped on the court to protest a call, the official warned him he'd get a technical foul for every step it took him to return to the bench. Lemons stopped in his tracks, called a timeout and had his assistants come out and carry him back.
Portland won the game. Toronto isn't winning a lot of games. Sometimes it's the sum of your parts, and not the parts of you sum. I'm not saying the trades are good (or even plausible), but that sometimes having 13 assists in a loss is not as good as having W's.
The comparison between Jose and Blake being a wash is pretty rediculous. I'm a huge fan of Steve Blake but Jose is signficantly better without question. I wouldn't let Bayless go in a trade for Jose but if it took some combination of Blake, Sergio, Outlaw, Frye, and or Martell you do it without thinking twice. Get rid of the log jamp at the point and let Bayless be your backup behind Jose. That is a scary duo to go along with the already scary duo of Roy and Rudy.
