<div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post">again i repeat: the raptors are the most disorganized team in the nba; the raps run a high school offense and have the defensive stability of an elementary school team. the backdoors, people running around like they have had their head cuts off and mitchell apologists don't blame it on the new guys cause its been like this all year. i would have doubled tmac and yao, making lue and bowen beat me. i'm disgusted, its pathetic and "insert your adjective of choice" for the worsted coach team in the league.</div> there are worse defensive and offensive teams in the league...i dont see how we are the worst coached team in the league. we look like a pretty decent team at times as well.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting VinKanaddy:</div><div class="quote_post">First... how do you figure to double-team both T-Mac and Yao? If you double T-Mac he's gonna find Yao or someone else open, if you double Yao, well... he will just dunk over the little 6'10" midgets, get a foul, or find T-Mac and he'll drain a trey. Mitchell's tactics worked the last time the two met in ACC but Yao and T-Mac just had their night yesterday. No one's blaming it on the new guys, I thought Eric Williams played great in his Raptor debut, don't know about Aaron Williams since he only played like 6 minutes. From what I observed, the Raps go as Rafer goes. Alston struggled in past 8 games beginning at New Jersey and the Raps are 2-6 during that span, so go figure. Of course it is disheartening to see the Raps lose yet another game but what can you do when the tallest guy on your team is 5 inches shorter than the opposing centre and gives up more than 40 pounds? Did anybody stop Kobe and Shaq when all things were going their way in the Lakerland? No. Would anybody be able to stop T-Mac and Yao when they get it together? We'll see.</div> Our defense sucks, let's get that straight, every big man get's season highs on us, Yao was tired for a lot of the game and still scoring on us, why not double him off the ball so he doesn't get the ball? Our offense is like what I run when I'm playing 5 on 5, a few pick and rolls, if nothing works, drive and try to make something happen, or isolations. Our defense is horrible all over, interior, perimeter, our whole defense is bad, I don't know man, Mitchell needs to make some changes.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting VinKanaddy:</div><div class="quote_post">First... how do you figure to double-team both T-Mac and Yao? If you double T-Mac he's gonna find Yao or someone else open, if you double Yao, well... he will just dunk over the little 6'10" midgets, get a foul, or find T-Mac and he'll drain a trey. Mitchell's tactics worked the last time the two met in ACC but Yao and T-Mac just had their night yesterday. No one's blaming it on the new guys, I thought Eric Williams played great in his Raptor debut, don't know about Aaron Williams since he only played like 6 minutes. From what I observed, the Raps go as Rafer goes. Alston struggled in past 8 games beginning at New Jersey and the Raps are 2-6 during that span, so go figure. Of course it is disheartening to see the Raps lose yet another game but what can you do when the tallest guy on your team is 5 inches shorter than the opposing centre and gives up more than 40 pounds? Did anybody stop Kobe and Shaq when all things were going their way in the Lakerland? No. Would anybody be able to stop T-Mac and Yao when they get it together? We'll see.</div> shaq and kobe were both double teamed, sometimes the double is just a running defender disturbing u with his presense. i happen to think we have good defenders on the team; milt, rafer, mo pete are all above average defenders yet coach mitchell has them running all over the place, hence disorganized. why was lammond and eric williams playing together when its evident both are sf's, incapable of defending quick two's (tmac)? why was donyell playing yao straight up while aaron williams was sitting on the bench. and i won't even get into the technical stuff like why do they give offensive boards when they are in zone?
^ Lamond and Eric Williams were playing together because the Raps have no shooting guard off the bench. Morris Peterson is starting at SF and Jalen Rose starts at SG so Murray has to play the SG and Eric Williams has to play SF off the bench to give the starters a breather. Mitchell put Donyell on Yao because he needed offense along with Marshall's ability to drag Yao out of the paint area and his defense, the former of the two that Aaron Williams can't provide. Risk of giving up offensive boards is one of the weaknesses of playing zone, and like og15 said, our frontcourt sucks at boxing out.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting VinKanaddy:</div><div class="quote_post">^ Lamond and Eric Williams were playing together because the Raps have no shooting guard off the bench. Morris Peterson is starting at SF and Jalen Rose starts at SG so Murray has to play the SG and Eric Williams has to play SF off the bench to give the starters a breather. Mitchell put Donyell on Yao because he needed offense along with Marshall's ability to drag Yao out of the paint area and his defense, the former of the two that Aaron Williams can't provide. Risk of giving up offensive boards is one of the weaknesses of playing zone, and like og15 said, our frontcourt sucks at boxing out.</div> do i have to state the obvious to clarify stuff for u? mitchell needs to separate e.williams and murray, cause when they play together they are a defensive liability. and donyell's shooting has been too inconsistent to take a risk like that; plus, i think he's out of shape and he gets exposed when he has to fight for position than go play offense with his horrendous conditioning. aaron gives us a physical presense, something thats absent from the lineup with the exception of araujo but thats all the brazilian beast can do. and one of the perks of playing zone is that its naturally inclined to give u better rebounding position.
Yea, and who's going to come off the bench and play the 2 guard spot? Or do you want Eric Williams to start instead of Mo Pete, so that Mo can come off the bench as the 2 guard? Donyell's shooting has been inconsistent at about 35% beyond the arc but he's shooting alright lately. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Areas of Weakness The entire lane area is an open seam. Penetration there and easy passing into the lane without proper defensive coverage, results in high percentage shots or a pass out which leads to a high percentage shot. Great corner shooters can force the big men to concede the corner or open another high percentage area inside. The 1-2-2 zone can be overloaded in the deep and very dangerous scoring area. Two big attackers, stationed on the big blocks, and a great scorer-passer, breaking from the baseline towards the high post, give the offensive team an unstoppable triangular overload directly in the heart of the team defense. Good offensive rebounding teams will get many second shots. With only two dependable defensive rebounders, an attacking team that plans overloads in the primary rebounding areas will obtain enough extra shots to defeat the 1-2-2 zone. </div> http://www.y-coach.com/122zone.html or <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Disadvantages of zone defense 1. If your team is behind, you won't get enough pressure on the ball, and the offense can eat up a lot of time by holding the ball for a good shot. You must go man-to-man in this situation. 2. If the opponent is having a good shooting night, your zone is beaten, and you must consider going to the man-to-man to get pressure on the ball out on the perimeter. 3. There are not always clear-cut rebounding box-out assignments and sometimes the offensive player will slip inside for the offensive rebound and lay-up. 4. If you play zone most of the time, and rarely play man-to-man, your players may become complacent on defense and may lose their man-to-man skills. I would practice man-to-man 80-90% of the time, and zone the remaining 10-20%.</div> http://www.quad4x.net/cswebpage/2_3zone.html
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">do i have to state the obvious to clarify stuff for u? mitchell needs to separate e.williams and murray, cause when they play together they are a defensive liability. and donyell's shooting has been too inconsistent to take a risk like that; plus, i think he's out of shape and he gets exposed when he has to fight for position than go play offense with his horrendous conditioning. aaron gives us a physical presense, something thats absent from the lineup with the exception of araujo but thats all the brazilian beast can do. and one of the perks of playing zone is that its naturally inclined to give u better rebounding position.</div> Depends, if you have a beat like KG who cleans up all the boards, Zone is perfect, but remember in zone defense you don't have a man, many times this makes players not know who to box out, and end up boxing no one out and actualy giving up more offensive rebounds. One of the risks of a zone defense is actually giving up offensive boards because of that. Oh, and I didn't even read Vinkanddy's post but it said the same thing I just said lol, never mind then
