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Trade Deadline Predictions

Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by Scalma, Jan 8, 2018.

  1. craigehlo

    craigehlo Elite Wing

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    Belinelli is a dude that just seems to fit off the bench on any team that has picked him up. Give them a 2nd and Layman (if they want to kick the tires on him).
     
  2. chzbrgr

    chzbrgr Dame top-5 MVP voting

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    Isn't Belinelli just a minor upgrade on Pat? And maybe not even that?
     
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  3. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Moe + Vonleh (+ future seconds) for Belinelli + Ilyasova works. They are looking to shed vets for younger players and picks.

    Meyers + Vonleh + picks also works, but I'm not sure how stupid ATL's GM is.

    Vonleh + Swanigan (or any one of Connaughton, Napier, Layman) + future second for either Belinelli or Ilyasova also works.

    Of course, Ed Davis + future 2nd also works, but I wouldn't be interested. Seems like it would just be rearranging deck chairs.

    Lots of ways to make the salaries match.

    BNM
     
  4. Scalma

    Scalma Well-Known Member

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    Vonleh or even Moe for half a season of Belinelli doesn’t make much sense to me. Meyers maybe.
     
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  5. jlprk

    jlprk The ESPN mod is insane.

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    Portis is crazy. Scouting report from
    https://nbaprospects.com/2016summerleague/#/bobbyportis/

    - Grew up with a single mother and 3 younger brothers in a rough neighborhood

    - Under-privileged lifestyle

    - Hungry to be able to provide for his family

    - Grew up with a single mom, difficult life - made him want to work hard

    - Steve Kyler of Basketball Insiders suggests Portis is crazy off the court. Nobody knows what is going on in his mind

    - His craziness manifests on the court, which should help him in the long run

    - Imagines the other team is after his mom before every game to make himself angry

    [​IMG]
     
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    AFully22 Well-Known Member

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    Sounds like a man that came from nothing and made it into something. Which is the story of a lot of NBA players. He may be crazy, although none of us have the sufficient information to make that assumption, but his teammates still took his side when he broke Mirotic face.
     
  7. kjironman1

    kjironman1 Back from 0-2!

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    Different positions. Belly would not affect Pat much.
     
  8. chzbrgr

    chzbrgr Dame top-5 MVP voting

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    Really? Can you tell the difference without checking?

    Player 1 : 6-5, 206lb (196cm, 93kg)
    FG%: 46.2 3FG%: 37.9 FT%: 83.9 EFG%: 56.9

    Player 1 : 6-5, 210lb (196cm, 95kg)
    FG%: 41.8 3FG%:38.6 FT%: 93.0 EFG%: 51.5
     
  9. kjironman1

    kjironman1 Back from 0-2!

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    No argument at all. But Belly usually plays the 3 and Pat has been ( Not that it can't change) playing the 2.
    But yes he does slide to the three at times like last night when Stotts was going with three guards. Belly though is not really a shooting guard. He is a sharp shooter and is used as such. I think he would augment Pat well if given a chance to be on the court together with a quick guard like Napier.
    Just my take.
     
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  10. dviss1

    dviss1 Emcee Referee

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    I think I'd rather keep pat. Better defender, lower paycheck, much more upside. Marco looks to simply be more aggressive on offense.

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    calvin natt Well-Known Member

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    Feels like none of these trades makes the team better. The way they get better is to swing for the fences and deal one of the top 3 and hope they get a great return or a top 3 pick in the draft. Anything else just loses one annoying player for a new one.
     
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    kjironman1 Back from 0-2!

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    My idea was to have both of them. I agree with you if it is either/or situation. You keep Pat.
     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Agreed. If you look at per-36 minute or per-100 possession numbers, you will see that Belinelli is a much more aggressive scorer.

    I like Pat, especially given his age and contract, but I think there are times, especially in the playoffs, where we need that aggressive third scorer when teams focus on locking down Dame and C.J. I'm not talking about a Pat for Marco swap. I think Marco would make us better short term, but Pat is a better long term solution.

    I guess it depends on the goal this year, since Belinelli is an expiring contract, and what we'd have to give up for him. If the goal is to get a higher seed and increase our chance of getting past the first round, I'd be willing to give up a future second rounder and a player that isn't part of the current rotation.

    BNM
     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Agreed.

    BNM
     
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    chzbrgr Dame top-5 MVP voting

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    Agreed I think they both play a little at the 3 but I wouldnt want either of them doing that majority of the time. My main apprehension is the need for length and defense on the perimeter.
     
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    BonesJones Don't Yell At Me

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    Yeah, go argue with yourself some more.
     
  17. BonesJones

    BonesJones Don't Yell At Me

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    Of course you are.
     
  18. rotary111

    rotary111 Noah Vonleh will average double digit rebounds.

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    I'd take Belinelli if they take Layman.
     
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    dviss1 Emcee Referee

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    Belinelli makes over 6 MM this season.
     
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  20. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Vonleh + Layman for Belinelli works.

    I'd be fine trading Layman for a bag of chips. Vonleh has fallen out of the rotation, but I think we might be able to get something more valuable for him than a half season Belinelli rental.

    BNM
     
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