Barnes is a below-average 3pt shooter (who's shooting worse than Connaughton, Harkless, and Aminu). Teams could definitely live with a 34% 3pt shooter jacking up 3s. They would leave Barnes, not Lee, but even if the left Lee, Lee isn't gonna be a guy to put pressure on a scrambling defense like CJ would. Barnes defense isn't good either, so we don't get any better on that end (we're already good) and our offense suffers. Barnes a willing passer? He can move the ball but he gets less assists Per 36 than CJ..
I think CLE would LOVE to have Ed Davis backing up Thompson and Love. Jae Crowder has not been a good fit in CLE. I wonder if they would do a straight swap of Crowder for Davis (it works salary wise). Part of the problem is CLE has been forcing Crowder to play PF. Davis would be much better for them in that role and moving Crowder back to his natural SF position may return his production to what it was in BOS the past two seasons. CLE would get a real back up big man and we'd get a real starting SF. BNM
barnes is a much better and above average 3pt shooter on assisted threes. i still doubt that he alone would make us better as i stated but you are undervaluing what his impact would be here as a second/third option. is he the scorer/shooter that CJ is? of course not. is he a significant upgrade at SF? of course he is.
Or the next Kyle Kuzma, Nicolas Batum, or Rudy Gobert. Draft picks are valuable, especially with so many teams without cap space. No one is going to give one up for a couple months of a role player.
If we trade Shabazz we’ll be worse this year. We might get a nice asset for the future, but that’s it.
Holy hell I would love trade. A lot of people know I'm a huge Crowder fan. He's under contract for this season plus two more at around $7M per year. Aminu+Crowder for ~$14M a year combined? Very solid and bang for the buck.
Hopefully we'd add a good wing which would negate that. However, we could greatly improve the future while taking a slight hit now compared to staying the same and taking a big blow in the future.
I'd rather get a future asset for someone we are probably going to lose anyway. I also think that Shabazz deserves a chance to start somewhere. He won't get thst here.
Yes, it's easy to pick out the 1 guy that went in the 20s this year and say "That's why late firsts are so valuable", when in reality, a team's very unlikely to land anyone of that caliber, while contenders likely won't give those guys enough PT to develop. Notice how all those guys were drafted by rebuilding, non-playoff teams at the time. Also, Ed Davis is shown to be loyal. Do you really think he'd leave CLE or BOS? That team would trade for him with the likelihood that he resigns, which is high.
Yes it was easy. Didn’t even have to look it up. And Davis wouldn’t be worth a first even if he was locked up long term, you’re delusional. Tell me the last time someone of his caliber landed a first.
Don’t want to be called delusional? Don’t be delusional. Then again I’ll have a good laugh when you see the actual return on Davis, if he gets traded. Plumlee? The guy that was starting over Davis?
Turner and Harkless for Joaquin Noah and Lee. We get the best player in the deal and get rid of Turner. NY gets a 3 year younger guy who does better in the east. We take on the terrible contract of Noah since we get the best player. Maybe we can get a draft pick also. Davis and Napier for Crowder and Calderon. These deals would make us better now, but we would still be just above average and it might make us worse in the future.
I think Jabari Parker should be our main target. The most realistic young talent that’s (probably) available. Mirotic is more realistic overall, but if there’s any chance at Parker, I’d hold out.
Do you really think Plumlee is better than Davis? Plumlees passing fit on the court better with Dame and CJ. Davis' energy is better off the bench. They're as productive as each other. And Plumlee netted the 20th pick and Nurkic, while I'm suggesting trading Davis for a pick between 25-30. You're the one who is delusional, like always (wanna talk about Crabbe...?). Dont start shit because you overvalue the worth of a late 1st round picks. Lets look at the 2010 through 2014 drafts for picks 25-30 (More recent drafts have many still developing players) and see how many players are better than Davis, since you obviously haven't done your research. 2010: 25. Dominique Jones - NO 26. Quincy Pondexter- NO 27. Jordan Crawford - NO 28. Greivas Vasquez - NO 29. Daniel Orton - NO 30. Lazar Hayward - NO 2011: 25. MarShon Brooks - NO 26. Jordan Hamilton - NO 27. Jajuan Johnson - NO 28. Norris Cole - NO 29. Cory Joseph - EVEN 30. Jimmy Butler- YES 2012: 25. Tony Wroten - NO 26. Miles Plumlee - NO 27. Arnett Moultrie - NO 28. Perry Jones III - NO 29. Marquis Teague - NO 30. Festus Ezeli - NO 2013: 25. Reggie Bullock - NO 26. Andre Roberson - EVEN 27. Rudy Gobert - YES 28. Livio Jean-Charles - NO 29. Archie Goodwin - NO 30. Nemanja Nedovic - NO 2014: 26: P.J. Hairston - NO 27. Bogdan Bogdanovic - Slight NO, maybe EVEN 28. C.J. Wilcox - NO 29. Josh Huestis - NO 30. Kyle Anderson - EVEN? So out of 30 picks, you have: 2 players that are definitely better than Davis, 23 players that are definitely worse than Davis 5 players that are debatable So a team contending for a championship who could use another big man off the bench and has an injury exception which fits Davis' contract perfectly wouldn't EVER give up a pick in that range for him? And you're calling me the delusional one?
Revising my predictions: One Trade: CLE Gets: Davis, Napier CHI Gets: Turner, 2018 POR 1st, 2019 MIN/LAL 2nd POR Gets: Mirotic, Crowder, 2018 CLE 1st Lillard (36) / McCollum (12) McCollum (24) / Pat (16) / Crowder (8) Crowder (20) / Harkless (18) / Aminu (10) Aminu (20) / Mirotic (28) / Vonleh Nurkic (32) / Collins (16)
