Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by BonesJones, Apr 28, 2018.
I didn't know @swish3 had mod powers? Uh oh.
it's actually interesting to compare Gordon's and Aminu's per-100 and advanced stats. It appears that Aminu actually impacts a game more effectively than Gordon does. I'm sure some might attribute that to teammates and coaching, but it seems more likely that Gordon is simply an inefficient player.
He's a terrific rim runner and a decent shooter for his position. His cutting would work well with our attack from the perimeter and with Nurk in the post. He's a better passer than CJ and has a higher AST% on lower usage. He's also shooing better from 3 (this year) than CJ on nearly the same attempts. And I also think he has untapped defensive potential. His inefficiency stems from his low FT% but we can get around that with everything else that he brings. He hasn't had a good guard to pass him the ball on the run or on the lob-- I think Dame could help him get more than 3FTs per game and drastically improve his efficiency. He needs us just as much as we need him.
I want physically imposing athletes. He fits that bill perfectly.
Yeah, I was looking at basketball reference's comparison scores for Gordon. It is guys like Linas Kleiza and Gary Trent. For CJ the first two are John Starks and Danny Ainge, both decent players. I know that doesn't really matter but it might be time to start thinking that Gordon just isn't that good. His athleticism is really intriguing but he hasn't found a way to make that translate into being a great player yet.
I'm really not trying to start shit with this but one could argue that Enes Kanter is a better player than Aaron Gordon.
Due CJ spend a lot of his time in NY in the off season and I believe when his contract is up that might be the next place he would like to land.
The best guards Gordon has played with are Elfrid Payton and an out of shape Oladipo. Think we have a bit of Nurk in Denver similarities, granted Gordon already got his $.
Which has the higher likelihood of being a synergistic partnership?
Dame and CJ
Dame and Gordon
Dame doesn't push the tempo that much, nor does he throw many lob passes. Is that because he doesn't do those things well or because of the type of team he has around him? It's much like the idea that Gordon only struggles because he doesn't have the right teammates either. I do agree that Gordon could potentially be an improvement for our defense he's just too inefficient for me to think he'd have a huge jump with this team. Even though Dame and CJ aren't synergestic on the court and there is potential for Gordon to be more synergestic I think I'd rather roll with CJ.
I have seen rumors that they are willing to trade Covington. He is on a very similar deal to Leonard or Hark - but 2 years longer. Would the TWolves trade him just to dump those 2 extra years?
The fact that neither Hark nor Covington are 100% physically complicates matters.
Just a thought, but I suspect part of the reason this thread is getting testy is that it is forcing everybody to face the fact that the trade market for CJ just isn't that robust.
Well we haven't even gotten through half of the teams yet, but yeah that is probably part of it.
Trading CJ for Gordon just seems like a sideways move. Yes Gordon does things CJ can’t, but at the same time he’s nowhere near the scorer. He is an overpaid role player who teams don’t have to gameplan around. He also isn’t good enough to justify the extra $20M or whatever Portland would take on financially. If we’re going to take on that kind of money, it better be someone that really upgrades the team, and not someone that is going to be relying on others to succeed.
Is Gordon a better fit than Aminu? He'll certainly be cheaper. Feels like the things that make Gordon valuable (finishing, playmaking from the 4) seem to conflict a little with Nurk.
So yeah, I'd rather just resign Chief to another affordable 3-year deal and keep/find another deal for CJ.
and you're basing that on what posters in this forum say? From all indication those in the league think a lot more of McCollum than some of the posters in here.
OK, what team do you believe would make a good offer for CJ?
How would I know what team wants to make an offer for McCollum and what they are offering. I'm not a GM. Just like you don't know that he doesn't have much value. I simply asked you what you are basing your assumption on that his trade value isn't very robust. I watch a lot of basketball and listen to many of the segments on NBA TV and other NBA related shows and they speak very highly of McCollum, especially the ex players.
Yeah I’m sure teams are just lining up for their opportunity to pay glorified Lou Williams $25 million.
I'm sure you have no idea.
Neither do you.
and where did I say I knew what teams wanted McCollum or what his trade value is? I merely said that those in and around the NBA value McCollum more than some in this forum and then said I based that off of several comments I have heard from several different NBA shows including ex players.
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