Trade Ideas Thread

Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by BonesJones, Apr 28, 2018.

  1. Hoopguru

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    Philly...Simmons cant shoot 3's and he bunches/clogs up the paint, and more so during playoffs. CJ would be Crazy on that team, with Butler at the 3.
    If they want to compete in the East they need more 3/and overall scoring.
    Would Simmons fit here?
     
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    I don’t think anyone is saying CJ is a bad player. But those comments by current or ex players don’t take his contract into account. He has roughly $57M left on his contract after this season. That’s...not attractive, not when you could sign someone like Jeremy Lamb for a lot less, save assets, and get the same production.
     
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    Ok, Im jumping in with a trade out of my rear end, that does work and could be possible.

    Philly get: CJ, AFA, & WBIV
    Blazers get: Chandler, Fultz & Simmons

    Even though the sSxers are giving up two high lottery picks, this trade better balances their roster to compete in the playoffs.
    Chandler & Zack at 4, Simmons 2/3 & we wait for Fultz.
     
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    An expiring contract, a potential top 10 player, and a potentially dead weight contract for an expiring contract and a merely good player. Sign me up!
     
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    CJ was getting plenty of positive reviews when he was MIP in 2015-16, but the NBA has wised up a lot about his game, just like a majority of Blazer fans have.

    besides that, who gives a shit what Reggie Miller or Steven A Smith say?

    normal people are just as capable of watching players on TV and seeing strengths and weaknesses. Being an ex-player didn't make Maurice Cheeks a great coach and it didn't take an ex-player to see it was time he was fired. Being an all-nba player didn't make Isiah Thomas an all-star GM

    it doesn't take a ten year career in the NBA to know that CJ is horrible at defense, or that being a short-armed 6'3 SG has disadvantages. Or that Dame and CJ are far too redundant. Or that a player in the top-20 in salary and contract while not being in the top-100 in PER or TS% or eFG% or assist rate or winshares/48 or box plus/minus or real plus/minus is overpaid

    in the future, can you please not combine 'jumping in' and your rear end....?
     
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    If KP wants a vet instead of enduring a rookie, they might. Regardless, the question arose "what do the Knicks have that we'd want?" Obviously, a high lotto pick fits the bill, whether that's practical or not is another question.
     
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    Joe Harris!

    This dude is made fir Stotts' system.
     
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    I think the timing of trading their pick is what's off for me. Right now they are maximizing cap space to make a free agent run for one of the big dawgs. History shows that will be unsuccessful but if a guy like KD wants to fix his image I can't think of a better way than leading NY back to greatness.

    It could be a situation like when LeBron went back to Cleveland and basically demanded that the Cavs traded their new draft pick Andrew Wiggins for Love. They could also not get a top-3 pick and go a whole different route a la Boston in 2007 when they fell to the 5th pick and traded it for Ray Allen.

    I don't see them trading the pick beforehand though unless it is top-5 protected or whatever but in that case it becomes less valuable. If they don't get Kyrie or Butler or KD do they stay the course and keep building through the draft or do they panic and impatiently try to get better through trades for established players?

    I don't see them making a big move this regular season unless it rids them of the future years of Lee and Hardaway without giving up other assets.
     
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    I don't see it really, either, but THERE IS A CHANCE!

    Courtney Lee (33) and Lance Thomas (30) make 20+ mil combined next year, while CJ will make $27 mil. If you include the effect of the cap hold for the lotto pick, a
    CJ for Lee, Thomas, #5 would nearly be salary neutral for them, and give them a nice core of KP, Hardaway, CJ, + Max FA, along with Frank N. and Kevin Knox. I'd really
    like the sound of that if I were a Knicks Fan.
     
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    Lance Thomas has a non-guaranteed contract next season so if they waive him they only owe him $1 million, which will for sure be what happens. I like your thinking but it just doesn't quite work out when you take him out of the equation. I guess if they wanted to get rid of Hardaway then that would be the only way to still do it but would they still include good assets with him involved? Probably not.

    On a side note this is a strong case for why you don't stretch players with multiple years on their contracts like the Knicks did with Joakim Noah. He's the "missing money" to make a deal like this work.
     
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    Fittingly the Orlando Magic are up next. Like the Knicks they are a team that I think CJ would thrive playing on as he would unquestionably be their primary ball handler and scorer. Last year I heard their GM actually say that they wanted to shift from focusing on the draft to more proven players. They didn't end up going that route but I wonder if struggling through another season would lead to them going for options like CJ versus the draft. I love Bamba's potential but I'm going to guess/assume that he is off the table in a CJ trade, plus getting back a center as the key piece of a CJ trade doesn't make a ton of sense to me with Nurk already manning that position. I wouldn't mind getting Isaac but his playing style is so passive that I wouldn't want to give up something good to bring him in and I don't think Orlando would just throw him in a deal either.

    Just for @yuyuza1: CJ for Aaron Gordon. I personally wouldn't do this trade. I think Gordon in theory should be better than he is and that in his 5th season maybe he is more hype and flash than actually a good basketball player. If we're trading CJ because of a lack of shooting efficiency it doesn't make sense to me to bring in a less efficient player. I can maybe be swayed on this a little given that getting him out of that horrible situation in Orlando might be all he needs to excel because he does have the physical skills needed to be a star. I have to question his work ethic if he isn't improving but he is still only 23 and could still pop. If we're wrong and he is the same player he is in Orlando then we threw CJ away in my opinion.

    CJ, Swanigan, and Stuaskas for Evan Fournier, Terrance Ross, and 2019 1st (Top-5) protected. Fournier is having a really bad year and isn't as good as CJ but in theory he could at least play a role similar to CJ and his passing is more aligned with CJ's in his best year, but still a step down. His contract is a flat $17 million a season for the same length as CJ's so it's $10+ million and $12+ million less than CJ's the next two years. Is that amount of savings worth the dip in production? Ross would be an okay stop gap at wing for the rest of the season and we would have his bird rights if he played well enough to warrant keeping him. Until this year he hasn't been worth the money either though. I'd probably pass on this trade too but I do love acquiring potential lottery picks so I wouldn't hate it either.

    Super Crazy Trade Alert: CJ and Swanigan for Timofey Mozgov, Jonathon Simmons, Orlando 2019 1st (currently 7th), Orlando 2019 2nd (via Cleveland currently 31st), Orlando 2019 2nd (via Brooklyn currently 45), and Orlando 2021 1st. We'd probably be a lot worse off the rest of this season but would have 2 1sts and 2 2nds plus another future 1st to really boost our ability to either move up for a real difference maker in the draft or to use as trade assets. This would be super risky, especially if CJ sparked Orlando on a run at the end of the season but it is also the type of risk that could turn into Zion if we got lucky. I doubt anything like this would ever happen but for those that don't like being a treadmill team this type of trade would be one way to get over the top or slip and knock our head on the treadmill.
     
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    This makes sense for us (and saves us like $7mil/season). Not sure it makes sense for them, but screw it, this is a Blazers Forum!
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    Can we please free Jaylen from that hellhole?

     
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    I like that idea. He’s a solid player.
     
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    According to a reddit poster, Blazers, Sixers and Thunder are interested in Taurean Prince from Atlanta. Edit: i just listened to the Podcast, and it's true, the Blazers, Sixers and Thunder could be interested in Prince, we'll see Screenshot_20190111-170744_Reddit.jpg
     
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    I really like him!
     
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    Prince has bee one of my targets since last yr. His development has stagnated this yr tho and he's older than you'd think. I wouldn't trade much for him now, not completely unsure if he's better than Layman
     
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    This rumor is 100% true.
    I’m going to be very vague so I don’t blow up my buddies spot but...a close friend of mine works in the NBA and has had a close relationship with prince. The blazers are doing their homework on prince and are definitely interested
     
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    We need a separate thread for this. Thoughts?
     
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    That’s interesting because earlier this season Zach Lowe brought up Prince when talking about blazers targets. I think it was on a podcast but could’ve been an article, not sure, but he definitely said it. O’Connor has also reported on Blazers stuff before anyone else.
     
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