Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by blazerkor, Jan 17, 2023.
As with most trades, it depends what we're giving up for him.
Hart and a 2nd round? Love it.
more like a couple frps...supposedly that is his going rate??? steep for sure
No chance I pay 2 1sts for him. He's an expiring, looking for 20 a year. Is he an upgrade over Nurk? Probably. Do we need to spend that steep of an asset price to upgrade Nurk ever so slightly for 40 games?
No thank you.
40m/year locked up at center between Nurk/Poeltl would be brutal. Then the trade we'd have to make to unload on Nurk when the entire league konws we have to, it would be two steps forward, three steps back!
Then Nurk and Ant for Siakam?
That would be a better team but even though Poetle is a tad better fit for Chauncey's system he's still not what we need. I think Mo Bamba is more mobile than Poetle... in fact any of the bigs from Orlando would make a helluva lot more sense and I don't think Bamba would set us back a pick. I think we could get him with Keon and Nas or some shit like that. Two fucking picks?!? I mean him and Josh aren't too far apart in value in my estimation, let alone two first rounders.
Portland might be interested in Peoltl. He might not be better than beast-mode Nurkic but that Nurk only shows up 2 or 3 times a month. From what I've seen Poeltl is pretty consistent and consistency might appeal to Portland a lot at the C position after the Nurkic era
I just don't see enough of an upgrade there to pay much for it in the form of assets
and if the Blazers are fucking dumb enough to spend another 1st round pick on a role player they will have proven they've learned nothing from the idiocy lesson plans Olshey left behind
Not that Nurk's benefit is the focus here, but playing for Pop might be the only thing that could save that mush brain.
If we are sending picks out that means we better be guaranteeing that we make the playoffs because we will be guaranteeing Chicago our pick in June, just to be able to trade future firsts.
Poeltl is not the dude that makes us getting into the playoffs a guarantee. So for me there is no way there are first rounders involved in a Poeltl deal. I'll be livid if we do.
By the way... whoever was saying that Nurk has negative trade value and Ant doesn't have much. Come on! Nurk is a monster with a lot of skills. He's still having a pretty good season even in a system that doesn't come close to maximizing what he can bring. Ant is playing as good right now as CJ was when he was starting next to Dame but Ant is only 23. That guy has a lot of trade value.
Blazers either need to deal dame or ant for a significant difference.
Well since Dame can't be traded until July, I guess it's going to have to be Ant but I'm with you. Just like Dame and CJ, Dame and Ant are less than the sum of their parts.
Nurkic has skills but he also has some major flaws; and he's 28 in his 9th season so it's really doubtful that he'll correct any of those flaws. More than that though is his massive inconsistency. It's certain the 29 other front offices have noted that inconsistency. That doesn't mean he has negative value, but it also doesn't mean he has significant positive value either. Nurk is a traditional C in a time when there is diminished value for traditional C's unless they have elite talent like Jokic or Embiid. Speaking of those two C's, I doubt that Nurk's most recent performances against them is enhancing his value
as far as Ant's trade value, the comparison to CJ is interesting because a lot of people here, including yourself, spent a lot of time trashing the initial return Portland received from trading CJ. Simons is a good shooter but hardly elite at shooting. And he's got good handles for creating his own offense. Other than that though, what has Ant actually established as his game? He hasn't demonstrated anywhere near the court vision to be a PG. He's a slightly undersized SG so he's not really a wing; he doesn't have wing length. He's not a 2-way player and is in fact a poor defender. Like CJ he's pretty clearly not a #2 option. He's a supporting player, at least he is at this point, and he hasn't demonstrated any ability to put a team on his shoulder and carry them to wins like Dame has
all that's not to say he doesn't have value. But maybe I don't know what you really mean when you say Ant has "a lot of trade value". And all that's not to say Portland should definitely trade either Ant or Nurkic. I don't share the urgency some of you have. But I also don't share your seeming high estimation of their value elsewhere
if were still gonna be bad defensive team, at least get offensive players, add as much scoring as possible
if we cant defend them, lets outscore them
I don't see the point; even with a healthy AD this team isn't a contender, and thats a big if. I also don't think the Lakers do that deal.
I'd rather the Blazers trade veterans for youth. Davis is starting the downside of his career, so doesn't make sense for the Blazers to acquire those types of players.
Flip Grant and Hart for value, eat Nurks contract, and build for years from now.
Blazers will probably instead do another Roco type trade where we ship off picks for an insignificant veteran.
Ant yes; Nurk no.
Blazers way overpaying for Nurk then months later shipping out valuable picks for an insignificant upgrade in Poeltl would be beyond frustrating. But it sadly seem like a very Blazers thing to do.
Sort of reminds me of signing DJJ/GP2 that doesn't make any sense but the team goes ahead and does. Then we'll have a bunch of fans flip their opinion 3 days later and justify how smart the team was to do it.
Here is a thread where raptors fans say 3 first round picks is not enough for OG, lol
“If we want picks, it needs to come from a team that has no idea what they're doing, like Washington or Portland. Or a team that's on its way downhill like Phoenix. New Orleans is the rare case of outsourcing its tank via Lakers goldmine of a pick (they wont trade it)”
I have spent a lot of time on RealGM over the years and from my experience, Raps fans there assign perhaps the most inflated value on their players as any fan-base on that forum
A fan there wanted Simons, Grant and 3 first round picks unprotected for Siakim. Agreed on their fanbase generally having an overly inflated value. I mean, we all often do, but they're a whole other level. Dating all the way back to Bargnani over Roy arguments.
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