Trade Trent

When I thought Trent was a better defender it made sense to keep him over CJ. I can live with a true 3&D shooting guard making 18-20 million. But his defense is not that good. He got burned again and again last night. I really don't think he's better than CJ at defense, in fact I think it's probably a wash, so if that's the case I would rather keep CJ. He has really improved his 3 point shooting and he's a better creator overall. He's making more money, but that means Trent is easier to move.

Plus, I don't think Neil is going to split up Dame and CJ. Not while Dame is going through all this loss. I just don't see it.

 

For three years I have heard nothing but give Simons time, he is young. Trent who was a second rounder that year, is heads and shoulders above Ant has a couple bad games and people want to dump him. He ends up guarding one of the best players on the other team. Why should we not adopt the same attitude towards Trent that I hear on Simons. Give him time. This is his first full season of playing he will improve his passing and rebounding. I get he is a restricted free agent, but if he doesn't want to come back, work out a sign and trade in the offseason, but I think he is the type of player you need on your team if you are going to go far. Teams don't ignore him, they don't leave him and on defense you never see teams trying to switch to attack him on defense.

 

I really like Trent, and you can see he's improved each year, and isn't just a spot up shooter, he has shown better handles at using a step back, etc. At 22, thee's still a ton of room for growth.

That said, I've mentioned it in numerous trade CJ threads that it seems like it should be one or the other, and I think it's more likely we get back what we want using Trent and matching salary than we do moving CJ, even if CJ is more valuable in a vacuum.

 

As expected, I disagree. Gary is playing better D than CJ ever has throughout his time next to Dame. Gary has more urgency on that end and better raw material than CJ. Gary is shooting the spot up three when CJ would pound the rock and stall the offense. When Gary is shooting that three he is just as effective as CJ is when doing the right thing. There is no way that Gary makes even close to CJ's salary next season. CJ is about where he's going to be and Gary has a ton of upside that will make an impact during Dame's prime. I think if he's seen as a second scoring option to a big that CJ's trade value is far higher than Gary's. So my mind hasn't changed.

We need a better fit as our number two player than CJ is. Gary is a great number four starter. All of this said I honestly think we'll all get to have a far more informed opinion by the time it matters because I think Olshey is going to keep both through the deadline and then (if Olshey is still with the team) make a decision after the season ends.

 

Hasn’t Teague been washed for a while now?

 

1) So you think that in a “loaded” draft someone is gonna give up a “good” pick for the honor of paying GTJ 15-20 mill +? What would incentivize a team to do this? Logically this makes absolutely no sense. Keeping in mind mid - to late - drafting teams are gonna be essentially other playoff teams. “Hey you can potentially draft the next Michael Porter Jr @ 15 or you can trade us 15 and we will let you pay GTJ 20 mill? Sound good?”

“hey Atlanta, how about you give us your frp in a “loaded” draft and you can pay Trent 20mill and Collins too, have fun!”


I can’t even think of a team that would want GTJ, doesn’t have cap space and would be willing to trade assets + pay him 20mill.

2) In my opinion, sacrificing in the short term for the benefit of the long term would be keeping Trent. You don’t develop *decent* players to ship em off for mid to late FRP’s. Sacrifice would be biting the bullet and overpaying / keeping a player that is redundant while we figured out how to truly extract value from either Trent or CJ. Sending off Trent, for what will most likely equate to garbage, is sacrificing the long term for short term gains (saving money.).

 

The point of that trade is to get a pick, Teague was simply a throw in who could potentially play spot PG minutes in our rotation.

 

Ding ding ding

and they can’t already have traded their pick

 

Why would they?

Edit: just saw protected first on their end

why would we? May not convey this year or turn into a billion shîtty picks... great

 

That is not it at all. It has nothing to do with a couple bad games. You're not paying attention. This isn't a "Trent bad Trade Now!" thread.

He's a free agent at the end of the year. Someone is going to pay him good money. He's starter quality. The problem is that he's not as good as originally thought. The gap between Trent and CJ is bigger than originally thought. The biggest difference being defense. His defense isn't as good as we thought, which was really what made CJ a luxury that could be moved for another position of need. Well, now I think Trent is the one that I would move for another position of need. Either way, someone has to go. We can't be paying CJ 30 million and Trent 15-20 million a year.

 

This is it. Whatever side you take... CJ is obviously the better player but is he the better fit? We know he'll be the second option if he stays and we know Trent will be a high priced fourth if we can get a second option by trading CJ. So which do you want and think is a better fit?

If you think this is the defense that Gary will be playing in a year and going forward, we can get value back in a trade for him and think that CJ and Dame are a great one two punch, then you keep CJ. If you think Gary is going to be much better in a year because of his raw abilities, you can get a better fitting second option for CJ and that the CJ/Dame back court is just a bad fit, then you keep Gary. The simple part is that we can't keep both.

 

So we trade the best young talent we have on the team, for penny's on the dollar, because no one is giving up a lot for a free agent to be. That is not how you build a team. There is a reason he is usually put on the best guard, he is a better defender than you all give him credit for. I personally think he ends up being our SF next year. once again he is a third year player who was a second round pick. We keep saying with Ant and Nas give them time, well Trent is the same age and advance passed both of them, what is he going to grow into?

 

Not sure why we would, but I do know that many Boston fans prefer a Kemba /Pritchard duo over a Kemba/ Teague duo.

 

Don't kill the messager but I do see in here that if CJ not hitting shots that he basically worthless on the floor. This not my quotes. Now what I think about CJ at times he looks for his shots to much. But recently as I observed this team offense this is the team offense. There no flow about this offense and I actually surprised how we get buy playing this style offense and actually winning with this type of offense.

 

I think we should package him with Hood and try to get in on a trade that sends Oladipo to NY or MIA or Lowry to MIA.

If we could get back PJ Tucker and one of Boucher, Ntilikina, or even Maurice Harkless we would be in much better shape to make a run this year. Tucker can cover for Melo/Kanter and one of the others can help cover for Dame/CJ plus letting go of Hood is probably, unfortunately, addition by subtraction.

 

He's a RFA. He has a lot of value because the team that trades for him gets the right of refusal. It's not going to be pennies on the dollar.

 

I love Gary Trent great shooter but I told ya from the start no way you trade Cj and promote Trent. The guy doesn’t do anything but shoot. Yes he’s a great shooter. We know that but his defense is EXTREMELY overrated. Doesn’t create for himself or others. It would be crazy to get rid of Cj because you have Trent

 

I agree that Little looks like a better prospect at SF than Trent

not sure I agree that Trent is better at SF than SG. 82games.com supposedly tracks positional player/opponent production. For Trent, last season:



and for this season:



if those numbers are accurate, he definitely plays better at SG

yeah, he sucks as a rebounder

besides that, watching his defense this season, can you imagine the defense and rebounding from a Dame-CJ-Trent-Melo-Kanter unit? They'd have to average 45 points a quarter to win games