Trades possibilities....and what teams are open for business

thus, the Ayton for Ingram ideas with Ingram going to a 3rd team and the Blazers getting oodles of draft assets

I'd wonder, with Ingram's contract status and extensive injury history, does he really have significantly more value than Grant?

 

I have no interest in BI. Injury prone.

 

enter, from stage left, Deandre Ayton

could add all the different permutations of the Grant-->Lakers trade ideas

Ayton to Pels/Ingram to Lakers/Russell+Rui+2029 1st (unprotected) + 2031 swap to Blazers

it's a more complicated deal though starting with the simple fact that Ingram has a higher salary than Russell+Rui combined. High enough to jump the Lakers over the 2nd apron meaning the trade wouldn't be legal. So, the Lakers would ave to add another salary; Jalen Hood-Shifino is the likely candidate but neither the Pels or Blazers would really want to add his 3.9M salary. Portland might be the landing spot if they can find a 4th team as Russell's destination and take back less salary (or Blazers keep Russell and move Simons)

 

Throw them Timelord too. They need a center.

 

Why trade timelord now when his value is at it's lowest? Showcase him. A contending team will pay for a player like him if he can push them over the top, and when healthy, he can. PJ Tucker kind of impact

 

He and his 7'3" wing span is a pretty good defender as well.
He does seem to be injury-prone, but then again so does about 80% of the league these days.

 

I'm skeptical about the logic. Timelord just finished his 6th season, and in those 6 seasons, he has played really well and looked healthy until he's injured. He has averaged 36 games played and 46 games missed in those 6 seasons. Other teams aren't going to see him and say "look at that, he's healthy now and will stay healthy". They know the odds of him staying healthy are exceptionally small and that the other shoe always drops

he has negative trade value and the 'illusion' of him being healthy won't alter that

 

He played well with the Celtics in the Finals in 2022. So when healthy, he's a rotation player on a championship caliber team. His value can only go up from where it is.

 

If he's on the team and he rejuvenated, he will play regardless his perceived trade value.

 

Yeah, whether we "feature" him or not, teams know they are getting a huge injury risk but at the same time a guy who has played 56 playoff games in his career. He didn't miss a playoff game in his last two playoff runs, one of which went to the finals and although he doesn't play huge minutes, in his around 20 minutes per game he is extremely productive. He has value but his injury history and likely injury future would be baked into that value whether he plays half a season with us without any injury problems or we trade him tomorrow.

In order to get away from the idea that Rob Williams knees are a concern, we would have to play him every game for like two seasons without a significant injury... but then he'd be a free agent and I think it's highly doubtful that strategy would work. If there is a team willing to send back any real value for Rob even if that's two second rounders, we should give that team an opportunity to win that gamble and take on that risk.

 

yeah...that's what you said before

I'm saying I do not believe his value will go up because he plays 30 game or so at 15 minutes a game. 6 seasons filled with injuries, lots of injuries, is not a trend, it's a pattern. Teams pay attention to patterns

 

I think teams know what he is. He is an absolute beast when he plays but he also has major injury concerns. That perception will not change. So if you have a team out there that wants to give up a solid prospect that doesn't fit their win now situation or a little bit of draft capital to try and get a successful playoff run or two out of Rob, realizing they are paying a discounted rate for what he can do on the court considering the time he spends unavailable to be on the court, then you take it because it's likely the best you will get today or at the deadline or even if he's healthy now until next off season.

 

Ya but BI would fit into our age group. Since were so big on that.

 

It's not low if you're greasing the wheels to get 2 unprotected first round picks. You aren't going to have many minutes for him anyways. If he is what it takes to get the deal done, do it.

 

I wouldn't say he's a negative. The Lakers main question is, are we good enough after we trade for Grant? Their assessment is no. No, we're not. They need more. Robert is REALLY good when healthy, so I think it could help grease the wheels if he's thrown in.

 

“Jerami Grant can play, he is a shooter, he is a good, active defender when he is engaged, he is going to do a lot of things that help your team. But he is a third option. He has some big numbers the last few years, but he has done it on terrible teams. No one is going to make a big trade for a guy who gives you 20 (points) on a bad team and 13 (points) on a good one.

“Not with his contract. He is going to make $30 (million) next year $32 the year after that. Then he has two more years. You can’t pay your third option $34, 35 million. If Portland wants the Lakers, the Heat, any of these teams to take him, they’ve got to recognize that.”
“They’re stubborn,” the exec said of the Blazers. “Part of the job is to be stubborn, though. But part of the job is also seeing your mistakes and getting out of them. Grant was a mistake. Trading him now just to get out of that salary is the right thing to do, take whatever picks or young guys you can get.”
https://heavy.com/sports/nba/los-angeles-lakers/jerami-grant-trade-picks/

 

The only way it was a mistake to sign Grant is if they have to pay to get rid of him. Anything they get for him is an extra asset they would not have gotten.

 

He has like the 45th highest salary in the league. He’s PAID like a second or third option. And good thing for the Lakers because he would be their third option.