Trail of Tears

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  1. CupWizier

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  2. BonesJones

    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

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    Smh.
     
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  3. H.C.

    H.C. Well-Known Member

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    How should I respond to a troll Torey?
    Clearly you have something you'd like to say
     
  4. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    @H.C. & @Propagandist I deleted the series of posts from both of you that were nothing but personal in nature. I would kindly request that you both stop sniping at one another.

    Thanks.
     
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    Expept I'm not wrong at all.

    1) Two-way contracts can be traded... therefore by definition they are tradeable contracts.

    2) I wasn't clear enough about the use of the MLE & TPE. Portland 'could' use the exceptions under the terms of the CBA.
    However, when the owner sets financial constraints, then the Blazers can't use the MLE or TPE regardless of what may be allowed under the CBA. We're starting the repeater tax in the eye for next season. It would be fiscally irresponsible to go into next season paying the repeater tax on a team that just finished with <40 wins.
    Blazers recent actions speak louder than words... the key is that lux tax line. Batum's contract does not increase flexibility because we'd be so damn close to the line - there's be little that could be done & stay below it.

    3) So you admit that reading CJ would result in an upgrade... glad we can agree on that.

    4) Your right, trading Hood (in June or July) requires him picking up the option. It's a calculated risk to be able to have his contract available as 'trade ballast'. Given the 10% chance that any star we'd want to trade for comes on the market - that's a better risk/reward scenario.

    5) Whiteside has been better than Ariza & Hood - and he's integral to this season. We need him more for this season than some 2nds & Batums contract..... neither one of us are calling the shots - so it doesn't matter what YOU or I want.
     
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  6. e_blazer

    e_blazer Rip City Fan

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    Shouldn't the name of this thread be switched to the game thread from last night?
     
  7. Hobbesarable

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    Trail of Tears morphed into Trail of Snipes.

    Let's get ready to rumble! :biglaugh:
     
  8. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    Damn, I needed two cups of coffee to get through just this one thread.
     
  9. CupWizier

    CupWizier Well-Known Member

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    I suggest having a third about halfway through. Just remember, stomps thinks Olshey should be fired for not drafting Giannis in 2013 :bgrin:
     
  10. TorturedBlazerFan

    TorturedBlazerFan Well-Known Member

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    I thought legalized weed would get people to chill out a bit, but boy was I wrong about that.
     
  11. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    If only there was a way to see who in this forum wanted to draft which player in 2013.
     
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    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    Relooking at that draft and seeing how many flame outs there were I'm perfectly fine with CJ.

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  13. CupWizier

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    I know there have been redos for drafts and McCollum was selected as the #3 choice in some i have seen.
     
  14. tlongII

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    CJ was a great pick.
     
  15. SlyPokerDog

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    I always thought we should have drafted LeBron instead of CJ
     
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    Drafted #10. Because he only cares about his stats (1) and no one elses (0). Perfect.

    ;)
     
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    Interesting. Why was Giannis drafted at 15? :biglaugh:
     
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    1.) Guess I should've explained better. I meant tradeable contracts in terms of contracts that are valuable to the team for trade purposes.

    2.) You're worried about a $7.2M TPE, when we could instead of more expiring salary to match what coming in via trade. Having more expiring salary to trade is more helpful than a $7.2M TPE, so I choose that. And chasing role players instead of providing ourselves the opportunity to go get a star to add to our rotation instead of by gutting our rotation would be in line with what this franchise has done, and won't lead to contention. Batum plus minimal contracts put us right around that line, and repeater tax isn't that crazy if youre around the tax-line. It'd be flip that contract for an upgrade to help contend, and/or try to trade it down.

    3.) Giving up much more value in a trade than we'd otherwise need to because we have limited flexibility due to a lack of foresight would be a bit of a mistake.

    4.) Lots of trades happen in June, not July. Even then, it's $6M, and #3 would likely apply there as well.

    5.) Whiteside is not more important to the team than Ariza and Hood when Nurkic and Collins are healthy, and that's not factoring in the risk that he leaves this summer or becomes and overpaid declining player.
     
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    Wrong!

    :smiley-sadbye:

    You know I've actually been on team Olshey, except hyping the Crabbe TPE and then letting it expire.

    After Thursday I'm willing to admit that I was wrong and this guy Olshey is a complete fraud. I didn't want them to keep Whiteside but if they were going to it makes no sense to either not explore ways to make this team better even if that's just in the buyout market or to to make a trade just to save $2 million. Especially if you factor in revenue from the playoffs would be more than that, even if they only had 2 home games.

    Why would he be mandated to only cut part of the tax? If they weren't going to get out of the tax completely why would they risk the bad optics of penny pinching at the peak of Dame's powers? I don't buy that Jody only wanted to save a couple million. I'm guessing she's not happy, granted this is just speculation, but c'mon they won't expore using the roster spot after not signing a big to help the depleted roster all year?

    Pick a lane! Get under the tax! Go for it this year! Give up on this year and add assets for next year! My problem isn't that we didn't do exactly what I wanted, it's that we're not committing to any one thing! They're half assing cutting salary and only kind of competing this year.
     
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    That's why Kobe was drafted at #13 ya know.
     

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