Sorry I?m late on this thread, it slipped my mind and looking back I remembered. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting 02civic:</div><div class="quote_post">Yao, i'm not a big fan of Yao really and i know alot of others think he's overrated. But his numbers are pretty solid already and he's only 24! Big men take longer to develop and Yao still could improve. But no he's not the player some people make him out to be. He needs an edge, just a little bit of nastyness to his game before he can truly be considered a superstar based purely on skills. I call him a superstar though not because of skills alone. He is skillful, no doubt he's a star, probably among the better ones especially when you consider how important centers are and how few of them there are left. But he's a superstar because with his skills and his asian decent comes HUGE media publicity, recognizability and corporate dollar signs. I think a superstar is just a top star that stricks it big with the public leading to endorsements, movies, music, magazine articles...all that junk. Jason Kidd at his height wasnt a superstar becuase, even though he was and still is great, he didnt have the same draw that the real superstars have. Carter for example isnt exaclty the same player he was when he made it big. He's improved since being in New Jersey (the biatch ) but skill wise he's not top 5 anymore. But regardless, he still is one of the leagues top players, he's still one of the big ticket items that puts butts in seats and he's still one of the most recognizable faces in basketball. He's a superstar that's slowly coming down to earth, but he's still a superstar for now.</div> So it?s just the publicity they get? If Jason Kidd wasn?t a superstar, then that?s your opinion. So basically the only reason why Yao Ming is a superstar is because he is a decent big man who is Asian? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I'd say Yao and Carter are both superstars based on 1/3rd skill level, 2/3rds publicity/image/media. Duncan is a for sure. His jersey is in the top 10 most sold, his face is plastered over everything NBA related because of his clean has clear image, and he's got the rings, the current team record, the MVP title's and the skills to back it all up. He's a superstar because he's got the skills and the media. Duncan i'd say is more a superstar for his on court abilities than his ability to sell a lunch box, i'd say he's a 2/3rd skill an 1/3 image "superstar".</div> Well I found Jason Kidd?s Jersey and he was 6th in the most sold. I don?t see anything his name is really plastered too. Mostly guards and enthusiastic big men like Shaq is what you will see. Not many people get excited watching 7 footers bank 15 foot shots. He really doesn?t get too much publicity especially for someone who doesn?t follow the NBA. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">No i meant it like, "he doesnt have the body composition of a Lebron=phenom type build for a 19 year old, and he's not 6-11/7.0 like KG, Bosh, Dirk." Most the stars now and days have two types entering the league a) tall: 6-11 or 7 foot 2) terrific body size and make up for his age. Ariza isnt ruled out of the superstar level because of his size, but their arent that many skinny average height stars in the league anymore. There are some i know that, but its a bit harder for him since not only does he have to improve his gameplay by leaps and bounds, but do so while building his body to have more NBA potential. Its tough to fine tune your game on that level while your bodies changing so much. He couldnt put on 20 pounds and play the exact same way, its a variable he'll have to account for, compensating for the difficencies the weight gives him while also learning how to use his new body to be the superstar you say he could be.</div> So he can?t deal with that? So if you come in the league skinny and are averaged sized with long arms and a world of work ethic and talent, you can?t become a superstar? If that?s the case I guess not. EVERY player adjusts to the changes that their body makes. You?re acting as if that never happened. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">At this point in Bosh's career I wouldnt hesitate to say he has MORE potential than Carmelo based not only on his skills but also his attitude, his work ethic and his height. He's young yet, only just turned 20 and big men develop a bit slower than gaurds and forwards, so dont give up on him yet. When i think of the future i see Bosh occupying the top 10 list in for a good chunk of his career.</div> Are you serious??? Bosh has more potential than Carmelo Anthony who lead Syracuse to the NCAA championship as a freshman! The same one who really should have been rookie of the year imo, and who lead his team to the playoffs last season? I don?t know. I know big men take longer to develop but you are seriously overrating Bosh if you say he has more potential than Anthony. Even though they take longer to develop, 21/6.1/2.8 as a rookie is pretty impressive. If Bosh is on that list he will most likely be behind James, Wade, and Anthony and probably others that I didn?t mention. Why do you even say he has more potential than Anthony? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Oh man, so many good 3's in the NBA its not even funny. I'll try naming a few, if i get some shooting guards dont blame me to much. Peirce, Shard, C Mag, Jamison, Carter, Carmelo, Marion, Peja, Hill, Jefferson, AK47. Carter might be a gaurd, but he plays SF alot too. Anyways thats a few gaurds, and there's alot of up and coming SF's to like Iggy and Deng for example. And i respect your opinion that he will be become a superstar. My suggestion though is not to put to much pressure on him. You sometimes talk like he's a lock to be one of the best players in the game, when there are numerous players that have as good of and a few better chances of becoming superstars as well.</div> Good but, not really great. I consider Pierce a shooting guard although he is playing the 3 by the way. Well I think you do the same thing with Bosh. You sometimes talk like he is a lock to be one of the best players in the game, when there are numerous other players that have as good and a few better chances of becoming a superstar as well. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">no i personally dont think Dirk is a superstar yet. He's a great player with great skills but he's been on loaded teams for years not and hasnt won anything yet. But besides that he's not marketed has hard as the other guys i mentioned, which i think leaves him on the outside looking in for now. Though i think he's a terrific talent, top 10 in the league for sure...i wouldnt call him a superstar yet.</div> Well I guess we all have our opinions of superstars. You can say Ariza wont be a superstar because he doesn?t fit into your standards but according to my standards, he will. Well, Dirk made it to the conference finals and got injured. Had he been playing it is quite possible they could have taken it farther than game 6.
