Trump Calls for Complete Shutdown of Muslims Entering U.S.

Sinobas- this is America. We don't discriminate based on religion. Even if they are against homosexuality, they are free to believe what they wish to believe. They can't break the law or deny someone else their rights but they are entitled to their beliefs. It is unconstitutional to deny access to our country based on religion. Your thinking is incredibly dangerous. You are naive and you feel comfy because you're not Muslim but how will you feel when people come after you and YOUR religion whatever that may be?

 

Case in point, Sinobas:

 

And I know you said it's just immigration but what message does that send to the Muslims who are here? Makes them 2nd class citizens who aren't wanted.

 

What you are posting is insanity. We're not supposed to notice or care what Muslims do simply because it's under the mantle of "religion". And when has the "religious" excuse ever worked in a court of law here, when it comes to doing things that violate other people's rights? Furthermore, Trump wasn't even talking about Muslims living in America, they are free to practice their religion in their own country, we are under no obligation to take them in.

 

I don't really give a fuck how it makes them feel. Their religion makes people feel bad all the time, all over the world. We have to do what we have to do to protect our nation. And if they really stand for American values, they shouldn't want them coming over either.

 

Ridiculous. No one is "coming for" anyone. But on the flip side, Muslims might indeed come for you, since you are not exactly popular in their eyes. Should we let them have you, so that we don't "discriminate against religion". If we were to follow your logic, it would be unconstitutional to prohibit them from practicing Sharia justice upon you. It's part of their religion.

 

Sly, you didn't have to edit out his insult. It doesn't bother me, thick skin and all. Plus, it's Kingspeed, he's harmless
I'll address your points in a list.

1. ISIS doesn't need Trump to make a recruiting tool. They have enough material from the previous leaders. So this is a moot.

2. You are correct, you do not call out 99% of Muslims they way he has done. But I also understand what the dumbass is trying to do, even though I do agree he went about it the wrong way.

3. No I am not Christian; I am open to whatever is proven. I was baptized Catholic though, if that helps you out.

4. He said nothing about internment camps, that's just people freaking out and putting words into peoples mouths.

5. UnAmerican... I guess so. But, I also see in the future that the more diverse we allow America to become, the less America becomes America. You start having a free territory with segregated pockets of people and their religion, not wanting to blend in with each other. Thus fighting each other. I'd hate that. But that's what this country is about, so to me, it's going to be very hard to win this ISIS/Islam 'war' on America.

6. Your slogan humor is meh. That's not what he's proposing. He's just pandering to the people that want to close up the borders and focus on America only.

7. Has anyone ever used guns to defend themselves in a terrorist attack? I don't know, and I am sure there is absolutely no way for you or myself to answer that question with 100% authority. You'd have to interview every single person involved in a terrorist attack.

8. Do I think guns helped people in the WTC? No, but I see where you are going. And I can see how guns would have helped the 14 people at the X-mas party. If I was there, I would have fired back (If safe to do so) defending myself and those innocent people, and if ALL of those people were armed, it most likely wouldn't have happened.

9. More guns does not equal more violence; that is just you believing the democratic agenda hype train. More people carry than you are even aware of. Gun safety training, responsibility , awareness, etc and having more people conceal carry most certainly could help reduce these types of crimes. Just because people carry a gun doesn't make them now more violent.


My overall stance on the Trumpster, is that I dislike his statement on Muslims (mainly because people don't understand past the hard language). But I understand what he was trying to go after. I also think there is something Americans have to do to try to eliminate ISIS attacks on home soil. This is a Muslim vs Christian/Western world war. It's been going on for centuries and wont stop. Which is why I believe that we need to build our country back up, reduce the mental health crisis, adjust the gun laws to address mental idiots from getting them, allowing more (capable) people to carry (and not having people like you freak out about it) and toughen this society up a little bit so we stop being fucking victims.

But...that's my opinion, and I don't see some of that happening because we would rather believe in the fear of guns, and fear of not being PC.

 

Yes. agree.

 

Amen. lol

 

American values? Oh, like freedom of religion, freedom of expression, separation of church and state? Those kind of values or did you have something else in mind? Don't get me wrong, refugees entering this country should be vigorously screened and it shouldn't be a free-for-all of immigration, and I have serious reservations about the compatibility of Islam with liberal western culture, but that's no excuse to make a blanket law restricting immigration on the basis of a religious test (which would be nearly impossible to design anyway).

 

Yes, exactly, Islam is very much against freedom of expression and separation of church and state (and many other things). The West has already tried this experiment, and look how it's working out in Europe.

Sorry, don't see anything wrong with seeing that a group of people are prone to be dangerous and anti-social to your society, and letting them into your country. I think it's stupid not to. I don't understand what is wrong with people these days, it's like people are totally brainwashed.

 

Being hypocritical is acting contrary to your stated beliefs, so no don't see any hypocracy there. Christians are talking about things like Christmas and teaching creation in schools. And that's child's play compared to this issue.

 

Oh, are Christians calling for a ban on other religions? I thought we were talking about Donald Trump saying we should stop immigration of Muslims till we "figure out what is going on". Sorry, this is really about christians. Bad, hypocrtical christians!

 

But seriously, it's not like Islam is being singled out because its fat. I think this has nothing to do with christianity, and yet they are often brought in by left-wingers to distract from the main point. That is, the danger of global jihad. No one is calling for us to stop the immigration of any other religion.

 

It's bizaare how powerful labels are these days, even when the exact opposite is true. Islam is the most violent religion on earth today. It's like calling the Mexican Mafia the "peace club".