Politics Trump retweets video of supporter shouting 'white power'

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  1. Minstrel

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    Hello darkness, my old friend
    I agree with you. I think both socialism and capitalism fail at the extremes, and Libertarianism is what I'd consider the extreme edge of capitalism. I wouldn't want something akin to communism either, which could be viewed as the extreme edge of socialism. A solid mix of the two socioeconomic systems is necessary.
     
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    I kind of view libertarianism (which if you research it, there are a lot of different groups that call themselves libertarians), as this. On many social issues, they are much further to the left than the traditional GOP. Economically, yes they go kind of crazy on the Capitalistic side. I think a none regulated corporate greed fest is obviously bad, though Im not sure if its + | - | = to the crony capitalist crap fest we have now. I definitely wouldnt advocate for the %100 free market that if an extreme libertarian was in power would fight for.
     
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    I'd forgotten bloomers or pantaloons aren't actually pants but the tights underneath makeup for the shortage..pirates have always been cutting edge in the world of fashion
     
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    Commando?
     
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    @barfo Is actually Arnie?????
     
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    My mother, who's passed on now, was exactly like your aunt. Her husband, my stepfather, of many years, was a staunch Republican. He learned early on not to say anything.
     
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    Of course, but this is not ABM's objective.
     
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    yankeesince59 "Oh Captain, my Captain".

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    I'm not sure he even knows himself what his "objective" is.
     
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    Hello darkness, my old friend
    Yes, but it doesn't matter whether it's his objective. He tolerates it, because Trump supports his other objectives. Tolerating it and voting for Trump helps enable it.

    That's the problem I have with comments like, "Not all Trump supporters are racist." No, they're not all racist, but they're all either racist or they tolerate and enable racists.
     
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    I'm not arguing with the end result, I'm just saying it's not ABM's intent. I don't like his support of Trump either but I'm not going to jump on him for an intent that he doesn't have. Yes, supporting Trump does enable his evil ways but that doesn't mean that the supporter knows that it's evil even though it's hard to fathom that they couldn't know.
    And in the end, I value my friendship for other qualities that others in here know nothing about and don't seem to want to know about.
     
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    Hello darkness, my old friend
    I'm not arguing against your friendship with him or anyone else's friendship with him. I'm sure he's a nice guy one-on-one. My point was simply that supporting a race-baiter makes you culpable for his race-baiting, even if you didn't support him for that reason.
     
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    It depends on what you mean by supporting. If you mean supporting his views that I find detrimental then I must agree. But if you mean supporting him as a decent human being then I must heartily disagree.
     
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    Hello darkness, my old friend
    My use of "support" wasn't about you and ABM. It was about ABM and Trump.
     
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    I think the problem is with the history of our country, and as bad as it is just about every "older" person has a history of racism of some kind. Look at some of the bills Pelosi, Biden, etc have pushed or voted in and what they've done to Black communities, and really most older politicians you can find a history of that type of stuff. Voting for Biden doesn't mean your a racist or tolerate racists because Biden's done crappy things to Blacks. We really, really need new "blood" so to speak in our political spectrum... These life-long politicians on like McConnel, and Graham and Pelosi and Biden have made some decisions that have been pretty freaking terrible for the people of this country. However, people who support them, aren't all "racists" and I wouldn't say that they all even enable it, they just don't feel like they have any choices in the matter, it needs to change.
     
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    Culpable? Yes
     
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    Hello darkness, my old friend
    There's a difference, though, between being somewhat ignorant of systemic racism and the secondary consequences of your actions and being an outright racist and race-baiter. Yes, certain things that some older Democrats supported, like various crime bills, absolutely had negative effects on the black community and they need to own that. But that's different from being intentionally racist.

    If you support Biden, you're supporting someone who has in the past shown a problematic lack of understanding of racial dynamics and how his policies might exacerbate it, but at least someone who isn't looking to screw over the black community. If you vote for Biden, you hope that he's smarter about those things now.

    If you support Trump, you're supporting someone who in the past and present has directly engaged in racism, has encouraged other racists, explicitly and implicitly, and has directly blamed the problems in society on black and Latino people. If you vote for Trump, you're tolerating that because it's not like Trump has suggested he wants to change his approach.

    I think there's a pretty huge divide between those two things.
     
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    I look at Biden and Pelosi as trying to politically survive. Think of the sorts of potentially racist politicians who might have replaced them and then have been unable to support Blacks today.
     

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