Politics TRUMP SAYS HE PLANS TO SIGN EXECUTIVE ORDER TO TERMINATE BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP

Well, it is Trumpian bluster. You know that. Anyone with a brain can see that.

 

Then your reasoning would be even more applicable to the Second Amendment, as it is far murkier and open to interpretation than the Fourteenth Amendment. Therefore, “it is not unreasonable to challenge decades of precedent and interpretation without engaging the amendment process.” But just try that (as has happened many, many times) and see the gun owners lose their freaking minds. I think natural born citizenship is much more justifiable than unfettered gun ownership. And I’m stunned that any American with any intelligence and moral integrity would even give a second thought to denying rightful citizenship to anyone born in this country.

 

Ah yes - territorial jurisdiction v political juridiction. The argument historically used to deny the vote to native Americans.

If we are going to talk about the history of the amendment it is only fair to consider the history of the argument against it.

 

It means we have to follow U.S. law which is in accordance with international law.

 

It seems that maybe they will soon have to go through to Canada
http://immigrationimpact.com/2018/06/01/asylum-seekers-mexico-safe-third-country/

 

was the 2nd amendment ever changed by executive order by the president? If not, then you are comparing apples to oranges.

 

Bottom line, Trump says he is doing it with an executive order. He isn't asking for an interpretation. Even if he asked the supreme court, should his 2 appointed judges recuse themself?

We also have this on the record.

https://qz.com/1447349/an-1898-us-supreme-court-case-confirmed-birthright-citizenship/

 

I'm going to disagree. The courts have ruled that we can amend gun rights only so far but you can't amend the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution's specific statement about birth rights by executive order. The only way to change that specific wording is to Amend the Constitution. Hence, it ain't gonna happen unless Trump's popularity changes rapidly and dramatically skyward and I'm pretty sure that'll never happen.

 

Except that this is the title to this thread

TRUMP SAYS HE PLANS TO SIGN EXECUTIVE ORDER TO TERMINATE BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP

What you want to discuss is different than what the thread was intended for though. Your discussion might be better served in its own thread.

 

I think I addressed that. I added in the part about amending only to clarify how one would have to approach the attempt at clarifying the 14th because it explicitly conflicts with the expressed goal of the attempt to change things by Executive Order.

I hope this clarifies things.

 

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https://www.14thamendment.us/birthright_citizenship/original_intent.html

Quote from Natural Law.

"
Citizens and natives.

The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority,
they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country,
of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens,
those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this,
in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society,
reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children;
and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion,
they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country,
it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner,
it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country."

 

All socialists run under the Dem party, but obviously there are far more Dems than socialists.

Socialists are mainly found in ultra-poor shithole countries with rampant starvation and political murder sprees.

As for health insurance certainly nobody is deserving of diverting my hard-earned tax payments to pay for it, since I've been unable to afford health insurance for myself and family for 3 years now.

Thanks Obamacare!

 

It is fully within the AG's power to determine/change the criteria for qualifying asylum claims, and is unchallengable by any court.

 

Yes, maybe 20 million of us lost our health insurance to that cause.