Trump supporters, what would he have to say before you would not vote for him?

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  1. barfo

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    The rest of us don't have an ocean-going yacht to escape the country in the event that he actually got elected.

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    That's $11B a year at its peak.

    Half NASA's budget. 1/4 foreign aid budget.

    Puny.
     
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    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    He wasn't elected.
     
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    We don't have a "world will end tomorrow" anymore. Except from the global warming crowd.

    So it hasn't gone on our entire lives. It ended in ... ~1989 for good.
     
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    Hillary is crooked? What crimes has she been convicted of?
     
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    What crimes was Capone convicted of? (Not murder, extortion, and all the other things we know he did). OJ? (Not murder).

    Yes, she's crooked. As crooked as they come. Makes Nixon look honest.
     
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    As his support drops, as the polls show he's headed for a historic loss, Trump responds with ever more outrageous and offensive remarks. He's an attention junkie who needs and ever bigger fix so has to be more offensive (and factually wrong) to get attention. It does work, the news channels seem to be all Trump all the time. The daily paper carries three Trump stories, including front page, and one story on Hillary Clinton.

    How many more days?

    Of course after the election we'll have nonstop "election was stolen by ACORN", which ceased to exist in 2009.

    Is anyone else still waiting to hear the "amazing" stuff his "investigators" found in Hawaii about President Obama's birth? That Trump has sat on for about 5 years without letting us in on the amazing secret?
     
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    Pffft, saved the world? Big deal.
     
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    CNN doing its job. One tiny bit of quality in a sea of non-journalism.

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/11/politics/hillary-clinton-cgi-cheryl-mills/index.html

    Top Clinton State Department aide helped Clinton Foundation

    (CNN) -- A top aide to Hillary Clinton at the State Department traveled to New York to interview job candidates for a top job at the Clinton Foundation, a CNN investigation has found.

    The fact that the aide, Cheryl Mills, was taking part in such a high level task for the Clinton foundation while also working as chief of staff for the secretary of state raises new questions about the blurred lines that have dogged the Clintons in recent years.

    Upon entering office as secretary of state, Hillary Clinton and the Clinton Foundation agreed to a set of rules to ensure any activities by the foundation would not "create conflicts or the appearance of conflicts for Senator Clinton as Secretary of State."

    .    ..

    "Congress has a rightful right to ask for any information that it wants to from the executive branch of government to keep track of them," said Scott Amey, an attorney for the Project on Government Oversight. "And the government should be turning that information over, when you have a breakdown in that system, we have a breakdown in our democracy."

    There is no doubt of the connections between Clinton Foundation staffers and State Department staffers.
     
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    As I suspected. Your fear level is high, mine is not.
     
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    Sure, I watched the Republican convention, I guess you didn't. Trump told me everything is going to hell in a handbasket, and he's the only one that can save us.

    Since it's clear he's not interested in helping anyone beyond his immediate family, I have to conclude that the rest of us are screwed.

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    I am! I am!

    Hey, maybe that's the October Surprise this year. Hillary was actually born in Kenya.

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    Yeah, I get that. Your fear level is high, mine is not.
     
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    Actually, he doesn't need to be born in Kenya to be Kenyan. The Kenyan father does the trick, by right of descent.
    Then that specifically messes up of the definition of Natural Born Citizen, as far as it applies to the US.
     
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    We are not like nations that favor a paternal society though...women born in the US are granted citizenship, same as men...my wife is a naturalized citizen ..an American who was not born here either...decent has nothing to do with INS or birthright here...that's just a genetic code
     
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    You're on the wrong side, again.

    It makes zero sense to vote for the status quo candidate if you think we're on the Wrong Track.
     
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    The October surprise is that she is the leader of the Lizard people...or that she is actually British, using a fake American accent
     
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    I do agree everyone has the right to be decent. It's not a bad idea.

    That, however, has nothing to do with citizenship which the Constitutions defines as born in the United States or naturalized. If you are born here your parents can be from Mars.
     
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    Which is clearly where the Trump's hail from

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    I think you are stating it like you would like it River. The term Natural Born Citizen is used as a qualification to become President in the Constitution of the United States. The only place this term is defined, is in The Law of Nations. Madison's copy of the law of Nations is in the Smithsonian with his notes in the margins. So we do know he used it, as did Jefferson, Franklin, Washington, and others.

    While the qualification and definition of citizen have changed by several acts, the definition of Natural Born Citizen has not been modified by any law. We also, to this day follow this definition partially, in that, a citizen children born abroad are still Natural Born Citizens even though not born in this country.
    A foreign place of birth is just that, the place of their birth. It does not make them a citizen of that place. (Not many countries make you a citizen because of birth in territory, like our 14th amendment misguidedly did so).
    And specifically, the 14th amendment did not modify the definition of Natural Born Citizen. Since we know there are not any superfluous words in the Constitution, it can not be that Natural Born Citizen is the same as Citizen. So one must look to where the term is defined, hey?
     
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