Politics Trump's budget

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  1. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Interesting point you make Mick, I guess I missed the first time around.
    Yes, Obama exempted Unions from this scourge early, so they never had to worry. For the rest of us, it matters not that the tax may never be imposed, the damage was done by leaving the option to insure or not and the not became legal. Not much equal handed about Obama's dictatorship.

    "Unions Get Big ObamaCare Christmas Present As Other Self-Insured Groups Get Scrooged

    2. Under union pressure, the Cadillac Tax, a 40% tax on generous healthcare benefits was delayed to 2018 and may be scrapped altogether.

    Even plans that are not hit by the 40% tax in 2018 soon could be. After all, the Cadillac tax is linked to the consumer price index plus 1%. Medical and insurance costs are growing far faster, so more and more plans will be hit with the 40% each year. A survey by Mercer anticipates that one-third of employers will be hit by the tax in 2018, growing to 60% by 2022. It could be worse still.

    And this is just want we know so far. It could be far worse. The IRS has already showcased how incredibly complex this tax will be, setting out approaches to the excise tax. Of all the taxes in the ironically named Affordable Care Act, none is more onerous, a whopping 40% on top of all other federal taxes. It is an excise tax, one of the most dreaded taxes there is. Itsounds as if it taxes overly generous employer-provided health care plans for executives.

    In reality, it seems likely to primarily hit union plans. Unions that have negotiated for generous health benefits may now wish they hadn’t. Across the board, the Cadillac tax puts pressure on employers to offer less-generous health insurance plans. The 40% tax is imposed on the cost of individual health plans above $10,200 for individuals and $27,500 for family coverage. The tax applies at a 40% rate on every dollar above those thresholds.

    A reasonable response to the Cadillac tax is likely to be cutting of health insurance. Less generous coverage will presumably be provided. In large part, the result is likely to higher costs for employees, higher deductibles, and other add-ons that will harm employees. Doesn’t that go directly contrary to what proponents of the Affordable Care Act–including the President–represented? Like your plan, keep your plan?"
     
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    I think you reference the Snowball. But I still don't know about this.
     
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    The budget has one purpose and one purpose only: a massive tax cut for the very rich. The same purpose as "Trumpcare" which knocks 23 million completely out of health insurance, drastically cuts others, but gives a tax cut to the rich.

    Does anyone seriously think that getting rid of American Heart Association and Special Olympics will "make America great"? That abolishing National Endowment for the Humanities create millions of jobs? Or that getting arts and physical education out of schools and making it harder to go to college is how to defeat ISIS?

    Bullshit. Tax cuts for the rich.
     
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    "knocks 23 million completely out of health insurance"

    Most of them would choose to not pay for health insurance even under ObamaCare, if that was an option.
     
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    the real glaring problem with this is it would be 7,000,000 more than before Obamacare.
     
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    Don't overlook the REAL glaring problem.
     
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    And this solves that problem? Premiums will go down? For everyone?
     
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    Obviously we should keep things as they are so they double every few years. We can afford it.
     
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    So it doesn't solve the problem.
     
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    In broad terms, not covering poor people and allowing insurance companies to only insure healthy people will indeed reduce government spending and decrease insurance premiums.

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    Are Dems really going to vote against this one?

    "Paid parental leave

    Trump is calling for six weeks of national paid leave to be made available to new mothers and fathers, including those who adopt. The program -- which would cost somewhere between $19 billion and $25 billion over a decade -- would be administered through the unemployment insurance system.

    Details of the proposal were scant ahead of the budget's release, but it appears to be an expansion of what Trump proposed on the campaign trail. Back then he would have made partial paid leave available only to working mothers whose employers didn't offer paid maternity leave."
     
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    Do you really think Republicans are going to vote for that? It probably won't even come up for a vote (or be included in the overall spending bill).

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    I would. But the question was.... well, you can read it again.
     
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    You aren't a congresspeep, so you don't get a vote.

    I answered your question. Dems are not going to vote against it - or for it. It's not going to come up for a vote.

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