Politics Trump's immigration reform

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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    Oh are you taking your ball with you too?
     
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    Exactly the point I was trying to make. The fact that someone breaks the law and is sent to jail is human, but deport illegals to their home country is inhuman is fucking stooooooopid
     
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    even though it was argued in favor of states rights it is explicet that the states' right that was of overriding importance was the property ownership of slaves. the argument further states that was the nonenforcement of those property rights by the northern states and passing laws nullifying those property rights in those northern states that was of the consequence for their succession.
    article 4 of the constitution was sighted as the cause, it reads" no person held in service or labor in one state, under the laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in consequence of any law or regulation therein, be discharged from service or labor, but be delivered up on claim of property to whom such service or labor may be due" the fact that northern states enacted laws "nullifying or rendered useless any attempts to execute them'
    these quotations are from the south Carolina articles of sucession , the first state to succeed . it really was all about slavery and those people as property mags
     
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    But it really wasn't. The slavery issue became strong long after the civil war started. Slavery was a big issue because it villianized the South. I'm glad it became an issue though because we wouldn't be where we are today as a nation.

    And throughout the historical records, the Union allowed Sotuhern citizens to treat blacks as poorly, just not as slaves.
     
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    http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_scarsec.asp read the entire article of succession. property rights to slaves was the only states right mentioned and the only reason for succession . it was slavery brah, candy coated as states right to hold people as property.
     
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    During Lincoln's first term, slave trade was illegal, but slavers didn't have to free their slaves. This has been a common misconception, because I believe even Lincoln said or someone in the administration "If we could bring the union together without freeing a single slave we would"

    Here is a little history on the matter.

    http://www.salon.com/2012/08/29/did_northern_aggression_cause_the_civil_war/
     
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    As you see, it was Lincoln
     
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    My father immigrated to this country (legally) , enlisted in the Air Force and became a citizen. My parents met at the air force base swimming pool. Her father was career military.
     
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    great post Mags..funny thing, I had the same conversation with a co worker today. The states rights VS federal or central government has been an argument in this country ever sense the war for independence.
     
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    I met your father and he seems very patriotic to boot! God bless America!
     
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    I mean, don't get me wrong. I absolutely love how it eventually played out because any human lives matter. But the Civil War did not start because of the North wanting to free slaves.
     
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    You're right, they definitely aren't flocking to him because he said they're mostly rapists or criminals. They're just flocking to him because nobody else has said anything about mass deporting illegals, ever.
     
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    the first confiscation act was in 1861, yes? south Carolina succeeded in dec 1860
     
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    100% accurate! Ironically, Hillary is now taking a big public stand on illegal immigration. Even if Trump doesn't win, his run has created a new platform to gain America's interest. Just listen to the people and say what you mean.
     
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    august 1861--first act of confiscation
    SC succeds from the US dec. 1860
    shots fired by south Carolina at ft.sumpter april 1861
    lincoln's action were after civil war started
     
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    Did Lincoln write letters that stated he would not stop slavery if it stopped the war?
     
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    www.civilwar.org/education/history/primarysources/declarationofcauses.html
     
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    When the leader of the union would allow slavery to end the civil war, it's pretty obvious that the war was not because of Slavery.
     
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    WTF?! Don't temper now.
     
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