And our government, in its own particular brand of wisdom, has set up processes to do help them do so. And those who complete the processes are able to stay in "safe sanctuary", for the most part (don't go to Baltimore or CHI, for instance...) I believe you. But let's take a step back on this? Why must cases go before judges? Because even the people who vote for these laws and processes know that not everyone is lily-clean, and that everyone must be screened. By definition, some percentage of those cases will (when eventually judged) show that people shouldn't be here. So you can't just give blanket amnesty without endangering people who are already citizens and already contributing to America...however you define that. I don't think you'd find anyone who doesn't say "put more judges on these cases". I think you are seeing the fight about laziness: "Eff it...there's too much of a backlog and it's too hard to get in, just let everyone in." I for one have seen enough of the world to know that's suicide. I work with orphanages, both in the US and abroad. Every one of them has an "expiration date"--changes from place to place--but when you turn 16/18/whatever, you can't stay unsupported at the orphanage anymore. The children are taught to prepare for the day when they are not under the protection of the facility any more...they get job skills, language (English for the children abroad), placement help, etc. If you want to keep living there to help with the younger children, in some places, you can "live" at the site but start paying rent/meals/workshare, etc. Did "we" as America let these people down, letting them think that they didn't need to prepare for the day when either a) they went back or b) applied for citizenship? Is there any personal responsibility there? I don't know many of the specifics of this program or the anecdotal stories you bring up, but did no one tell them when, I don't know, they applied for a driver's license or SSN or join the military or whatever -- "Hey, dude, you're not a citizen! Maybe you should get that checked out!" I know you're a world traveller as well, have you ever been somewhere as lenient as the US in taking in immigrants, asylum-seekers, whatever?
No I haven't...and that's one of the great things about the US.....Thailand has taken in a great deal of refugees from SE Asian conflicts
Refugees more often than not show up with no birth certificates or even basic language skills here...many if not most Chinese immigrated to the US for hundreds of years without even bothering to learn English....both of my parents were dust bowl orphans and my forefathers from Ireland were conscripted into the army for citizenship pretty much during the civil war..both of my parents were dust bowl depression era orphans who reunited with their siblings after reaching adulthood..that's not just an immigration dilemma...Trump has taken the stance that if you're white and have skills or Asian and have skills we want you but if you are from a war torn country or destitute and of color.....you have aids and are shithole people.....I'm really angered by this turn of events......Hispanics in my neck of the woods are clean, good living hard working folks....the problem here is with the meth heads and they are mostly local white folks....DACA is for dealing with the process of making the children of refugees feel unafraid to go through the system without losing their jobs, homes etc....sure there are plenty of people who abuse the system....don't think americans don't do that overseas as well....many ex pats work under the table overseas avoiding paying foreign taxes and lie about their visa status for extensions.....I have yet to gain even a small amount of trust in the current administrations ability to be truthful or honest and corruption free...the GNP and Wall Street aren't clouding my judgement about this as much as Trump touts it as a great success
Uhhhh, this is the FIRST time I've seen anything about DACA kids being children of refugees. Learn something new everyday.
good to hear...see Haitian disaster as well or go back further and read up on the potato famine in Ireland or holocaust in Germany....refugees built this country
I have this dilemma with many of my Afghan friends and interpreters...do we help all the smart, hardworking ones come here and leave their country even more destitute? Do we block someone from coming to the US where they can make 100k a year as an interpreter with medical and flight training, leaving them to an existence of $15 a day? Do I not fight for a 3y/o girl, who has a condition with a 99% mortality rate in AFG, a 20% mortality rate in Pakistan but is an outpatient procedure in the US, to come here? Or once she's here and "fixed", to send her back to a place that she'll be lucky to make it to 5? I stand by the thought that, while very un-PC, if you substitute "third world, developing" countries with "shithole" the comments very much stand logically. I don't usually mix meme-worthy with real discussion, but too much of this was true for me not to think of it: Subject: MILITARY PERSONNEL DEPLOYMENT BRIEFINGS 1. If the Command tells you to update your Gamma Globulin, Yellow Fever,Malaria, Dysentery, Tetanus and other fun immunizations- You might be deploying to a shithole. 2. If the Mobilization NCO tells you not to waste your time bringing a radio, or any other electronics, as there is no electricity and there are no signals. You might be going to a shithole. 3. If the Travel Pay folks give you a travel advance and the Per Diem rate is only $8.00/day, for everything- You might be deploying to a Shit Hole. (Note, if you went to Puerto Rico for the reconstruction, it was ~300/day for hotel and 80/day meals and incidentals. Afghanistan was $3/day for everything, because they "gave us food and chow". Mostly. 4. If the “Area Cultural” briefing is only 30 minutes long, but the briefing on communicable diseases is 3 hours long- You might be deploying to a Shit Hole. 5. If the “Area Cultural” briefing includes facts that some leaders in the host country keep young boys as sexual slaves- You might be deploying to a Shit Hole. 6. If the “Area Cultural” briefing includes facts that male members of that society have multiple wives, but also engage in sexual activity with barnyard animals- You might be deploying to a Shit Hole. 7. If the “Medical Briefing” includes recommendations not to walk barefoot, drink the local water, or eat ANY food on the local economy- You might be deploying to a Shit Hole. 8. If the “Medical Briefing” includes information that the roadside ditches not only serve as flood control, but also as a common latrine-You might be deploying to a Shit Hole. 9. If the Daily Report for your new assignment includes an area for “Number of Personnel Med-Evaced” from theater for unknown diseases-You might be deploying to a Shit Hole.
Oh, you really believe the DACA kids are children of refugees? I thought you would know more about this than most. Guess I was wrong.
The hypocrisy in government has reached critical mass. It was hilarious seeing clips of Pelosi and Schumer talking about how you don't shut down the government over policy issues. I guess 2013 was a different time in history. Hahahahahahaha
you're fishing here.....many Americans are children of refugees...and yes....many Central Americans fled cartel violence and war to find sanctuary here...we used to honor that.....our new leader has more of a racist take on immigration policy...it disgusts me
Many are.....I stated that some are not.....out of 700,000 residing here you're going to find some who abuse the system...DACA opens the door to changing their status.....
Not even the Republicans are against DACA kids getting to stay. Maybe if you could state what the Republicans want for making that happen I'd be able to understand why you think shutting down the government is a good idea.
I have never stated that shutting down govt was a good idea.....Trump changes his position on it every other tweet....this was partisan sabre rattling at the expense of keeping govt funded.....Trump and his staff haven't even completed financial disclosures from his top cabinet members....it's show me the money time and your fearless leader has ghosts in the closet...he keeps his fortune in a German bank you know....very patriotic eh
not at the expense of dealing with earth's problems first....infrastructure and global warming...de-escalation of nuclear threats..these are to be priorities for funding....if we can evolve here on earth and manage this planet....then maybe we'll be prepared for space exploration...as it is I don't think we're there yet...lot of space junk orbiting the planet right now...I do want to keep the Hubble telescope in shape and keep learning but now's not a time for expansion in my view
Reading this thread makes it hard to even understand the actual chain of events. Correct me if I'm wrong They had a clean short term funding bill that Democrats wouldn't likely oppose but they are filibustering. Not like the old days of having to actually take the floor but new rules where they just get to call it a filibuster and then they need 60 votes to stop it. Is that wrong?
Trump owns a ton of stocks in the steel industry....he's going to keep them propped up..it's been his thing for a long time...he lobbies in steel country quite a bit
