Politics Turning GA, NC, NV, and/or PA into victory (Biden vs Trump, 2020 election!)

I see no problem with ballot harvesting

 

Care to elaborate? I assume you're being facetious.

 

the R's could do the same thing the D's do. That is, hold official gatherings where individual voters can then 'designate' the delivery authority of their ballots to a 3rd party for final drop-off. From what I've read, the voters have to sign some affidavit/form to tranfer that authority

that's not what the R's are doing. They are putting up private drop-off boxes....which is a violation of state law....and doing so without having an official signed designation of authority to handle ballots. Chances are high that any ballots they collect will be invalidated. And that will certainly be 'reported' by the same R's who put up the illegal drop-boxes in the first place

it's an obvious tactic of the R's to sow confusion and chaos about vote-by-mail and absentee ballots. It's clear what they are doing, and they are doing similar shit all over the country

but yeah, there could be too many loopholes and gray areas to this law. States need to simply have vote by mail (assuming the R's don't kill the USPS) while also putting up hundreds if not thousands of official drop-off boxes.

 

why would I be facetious? When I was studying at PSU, I would drop off my ballot there, and they would take it to officials. Voting should be easy.

Now I drop it off at the library at the official ballot drop box but before, for convenience, I would drop it off at the unofficial PSU drop box.

why would ballot harvesting be ridiculous if there’s no proof it causes fraud?

 

Here's a Washington Post article on the issue:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ballot-harvesting-why-is-trump-so-against-it/

It seems to me that the practice is going to always be a huge issue for claims of fraud by both parties.

 

So, if you saw one of these convenient Republican drop boxes you'd have no problem dropping your ballot there?

 

FTFY

 

i wouldn’t drop it off there because republicans are openly trying to suppress votes. And it seems like they didn’t exactly follow the law you quoted.

But I haven’t dropped any in a “democratic” box either so idk what that process is like.

 

well, claims of fraud and actual fraud are two different things. We know that actual fraud is extremely rare compared to the volume of ballots

I'm fine with ballot harvesting being tightly regulated. But as I said, vote by mail/drop-off box should be the norm in all 50 states, and all 50 states should expand their elections budgets, and that includes thousands of official secure drop-off boxes

 

So glad I have Mail in voting because I know exactly what box to put my ballot in. The box inside the post office.

 

I agree that the norm should be mail or official drop box. "Ballot harvesting" isn't necessarily fraudulent, but when political parties engage in it it's certainly intended to ensure that ballots in precincts that are generally favorable to your party get cast, while not worrying about collecting them in areas that predominantly don't vote for your candidates. That's not too much different than traditional get out the vote practices, but it raises the specter of fraud because it gives a third party control of the actual ballots. I'd be willing to bet that you place a lot more confidence in that not happening with Democrat ballot collection than you do with Republicans being the ones doing the harvesting. I'd also say that the mistrust is mutual. Just how hard is it to put a ballot in the mail and avoid the whole issue?

 

I'm only a couple of miles from the Clackamas County Elections Department office. I drop mine in the box there.

 

For people with disabilities, single parents with young children, people in quarantine due to Corona virus, etc. I see nothing wrong with giving a ballot to a trusted person to hand in or mail. Ballot harvesting is one of those invented phrases designed to make something routine sound bad.

 

I agree with you on both points. The problem is that in our hyper-partisan world today, both Republicans and Democrats tend to view each other with distrust and assumed ill-intent. I don't think that there's an easy solution.

 

I'm disgusted...once again.

 

Tomi Lahren, self appointed expert on nothing, tweeted photos of Trump without mask and Biden with mask, with comment that Biden might as well carry a purse. Because trying to prevent spread of contagious disease that has killed 215,000 Americans and a million worldwide is girly.

Which might have something to do with the 23 point gender gap.

 

Tomi is the voice for women's rights in the same way that Candace Owens is for black people.

 

Someone get this man a tissue