Politics Turning GA, NC, NV, and/or PA into victory (Biden vs Trump, 2020 election!)

“And has put in place a candidate — I can’t imagine Biden beating Trump in an election,” he admitted.

“Biden is such a fucking slime ball, he’s so weak, and has no appeal to anybody,” the “Another Brick in the Wall” rocker continued. “Trump, at least, is a snake oil salesman, he does tricks. He does them really badly, but people don’t care.”


Disclaimer: He really hates Trump, so should point that out

 

I don't know why I even go into this thread. Everyone is a snowball and it's embarrassing.

 

Roger Waters hates Biden and Trump for that matter. Noted.

 

Ive got blueballs but no snowballs. Feeling cheated.

 

Very proud of my daughter. She is a Bernie Supporter and this was our exchange.

 

She respects my position as I do hers.

mags

 

Yes, she respects the fact that I have my opinions. She’s actually open minded and understands that not everyone lives by her moral standards.

Would you respect your child if they were a trump supporter?

mags

 

That doesn't make any sense. She considers sexual abusers "gross," but respects you supporting one.

That's like saying you consider Hitler a genocidal maniac but because you're open minded, you respect people who support Hitler because, hey man, that's just an opinion and you gotta respect people having opinions.

It's even sillier because she specifically calls out the problem of society belittling sexual misconduct--which is exactly what supporting a sexual abuser does. So, you're the problem she hates but she totally respects that.

 

Nice sensationalism by bringing such a dramatic example of Trump and Hitler being of the same spectrum.

No, I raised her to stand up for what she believes in. Understand there will be people that disagree with you, and you won’t feel their opinion is logical or stands on what you believe is on your moral ground. Respecting other views regardless.

So when she thinks Trump is a sleazebag, we discuss in a way that we try and understand the other’s perspective. She understands my support is not his misogyny, but the policies he takes on issues that matter most to me.

I can ask you the same question. Would you respect your child if they were a trump supporter?

 

That's not what I was doing. I was illustrating my point via exaggeration. Just saying "Well, it's my opinion and should be respected because everyone's opinion should be respected" is trite and meaningless. That's more easily illustrated using someone pretty much everyone considers a monster, rather than a political issue or figure of the current day.

Sure, but as I said, you're specifically doing the thing that she supposedly has a problem with--belittling sexual abuse against women, by supporting a sexual abuser. So again, it's a nonsensical statement to say, "You're creating the problem I hate, but I respect your doing so."

I wouldn't respect that position. Loving someone is not the same as respecting anything and everything they say and do.

 

Well, How about we do it this way. Would I respect my daughter’s opinion that she’s a fan of Communist China, even knowing I hate it to the very core? Yes, yes I would. I would debate her on that, just like my daughter debates me, but in the end, we end the convo with a “mutual respect for each other’s views”

I will repeat again. She already knows my support for Trump is not because he’s a misogynist. It’s based on his political agenda aligning with mine.

Neither would my daughter, but she sure the hell respects that I support Trump as I do with her supporting Bernie.

I think it’s wonderful that she doesn’t hold her nose and vote for Biden. Very courageous don’t you agree?

 

I don't think you are understanding my point. I know that you aren't supporting Trump for his sexual abuse. What I'm saying is that when you support a sexual abuser for political reasons, you are belittling the issue of sexual abuse/misconduct. What you are, in effect, saying is, "His policy agreements with me matter more than the fact that he's sexually abusive to women." That's the definition of trivializing/belittling the issue. Which is what your daughter claims she has a huge problem with. So you are doing precisely what she says is the problem with society.

I don't think that's a particularly consistent position for her, but people are often inconsistent when it's their family. Love isn't always rational. I get that.

Maybe. A lot of Sanders supporters hated Biden long prior to these allegations. So, it may be principled or it may be something she was going to do anyway (not vote for either). Without knowing her and having talked to her all along this process, I couldn't say.

 

I would think back to where I went wrong in my parenting.

Just kidding.

love is unconditional. It would probably be a topic we wouldn’t discuss much.