Twitter rumor - Blazers to deal F Gerald Wallace for picks

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  1. BLAZINGGIANTS

    BLAZINGGIANTS Well-Known Member

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    The first rule of Gerald Wallace is you don't talk about Gerald Wallace (especially trading him)!!
     
  2. Further

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    Or keep them both. I really don't see the need to trade any of these guys. I love our team right now. (wait till after a loss and my mind may change)
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    This I agree with 100%. I think we are just a healthy oden away from contention.
     
  4. Nikolokolus

    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    Nah, not really. Don't get me wrong I'm happy to have him and I've liked his game for a long time, but given his age and injury history I'd part with him for the right price -- If he keeps it up he might even be worth a good player and some picks! :wink:

    To be clear, I'm thinking long-term here, not what he provides to the win-loss column right now.
     
  5. Fez Hammersticks

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    Trade. Value.
     
  6. JFizzleRaider

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    Yes, let's trade Gerald Wallace who is much better than Batum, so we can go ahead and overpay Batum next year.

    Overpaying role players is going to hurt teams in this new CBA. Giving 43 million to Afflalo was idiotic of the Nuggets, I'm afraid we will do the same with Batum.
     
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    I just can't imagine what kind of player we could get for Wallace. Who wants him? A team that is good that thinks he can put them over the top. But that team will not have a good draft pick, and I doubt that they would part with anyone who is good enough that we could build around.

    So I say enjoy watching this guy play. For all we know he could keep it up for another 3 years.
     
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    3 years(including this one) is a safe bet

    You only trade Wallace in a package if he brings back a star or a younger player of equal value(and who exactly would do that).

    If not, lolllllllllllllll
     
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    +1. I think we're there already. Especially with our roster, in a short, compressed season. We really have a good overall balance. We get 1-2 guys to really step above expectations, and we could kill it, especially if we're striding in April. Even more so if we get a healthy Oden for the late stretch.

    Happens every year in MLB and NFL. Blazers are in a good position, I believe.
     
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    To tell the truth, although I never posted about it, I was leaning more towards your point of view when this thread was beginning. However, the more I think about it, I really think the Blazers might have something special right now and looking to the future right now might just be the wrong move. Of course, for the right package, any player is available, but for what I would assume most teams would be offering, I just think that GW in this shortened season could very well be the energy (and talent) guy needed to keep this team fueled and headed towards a great season.
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    multi-team trades can solve this dilemma.
     
  12. Nikolokolus

    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    You might be right, I guess we'll have a much clearer picture heading into the trade deadline.
     
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    Wallace is helping but Felton is really hurting my trade package for Rondo.

    Le'Sigh.
     
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    So you trade away a great player who is in his prime, for a draft pick. Then you HOPE that player one day becomes as good as Wallace (which will most likely not happen). Then what do you do once that player enters his prime? Trade him for a younger pick, because he won't play forever?

    If you are constantly preparing for the future, and sacrifice for the present, you could be constantly chasing wins. Like maybe we shouldn't have signed Thomas/Crawford and let our rookies stink it up out there to develop them "for the future". I think you should only do that if you totally suck anyway and are not putting a good product on the court. But I think it's better to try and put the best team possible on the court each year.
     
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    I think Felton is playing better than his stat line indicates. He's missing some shots that I"m sure he'll start putting down later in the year.
     
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    It's why Rich Cho was fired. Loser mentality.
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    I think the original trade proposal was Wallace for 4 picks ... that would have been a lot of liquidity for a team with a pretty bleak outlook at center in about 6 months. Regardless it didn't happen and it may or may not be revisited so enjoy GW while you have him, but don't hold on too tightly.
     
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    Looks like they would have been in the lower part of the 1st round too. Not even lotto picks. Quality big men are the first ones taken. Would we be able to get anyone better than Joel Freeland (who we'll bring over next year).
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    I really don't want to get dragged back into the minutiae of this argument again and rehash things too much, but what I mean by "liquidity" is that those just become assets that don't necessarily represent players you ever draft. Since there are no details to work with it's hard to project how exactly they can be combined in trades, but it's possible you can move up in the draft if you can dangle multiple lower picks, or maybe you trade a player and pick(s) for a big man ... it's just flexibility.
     
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    A) Wallace is not in his "prime." His "prime" was two years ago when he was an All-Star. This, by definition, is the downside of his career. I'm happy he's here, and I don't want to trade him for an exception (like Lamar Odom, who's arguably a better player).
    A1) But to say that he's untouchable is laughable. LOL that we needed him to beat the Kings at home by 22. Even if it's true, what does that say about the talent level overall of this team?
    B) Wallace has been in the league since 2001. How many times has he played 72 games in a season?
    C) I'm wondering why LMA got 5 years to shed the LaMarshmallow label, but Batum (in his 4th now) is considered chopped liver.
    D) Wallace could potentially be gone this summer. Isn't it sacrificing a bunch of wins (next year and going forward) to get absolutely nothing for him just walking away?
    E) There is an enormous chasm between "putting the rookies out there to let them stink it up" and "getting value from an all-star on the downside of his career who may walk in July." To not acknowledge that is beyond homerific.
    F) The player we pick with the draft doesn't have to be as good as Wallace. He has to be as good as the difference b/w Wallace and Batum, at a position of need. There are only 240 minutes a game to go around.
    G) I understand that many don't have the capacity or don't like to think strategically about basketball (and that's fine), but I'm pretty sure that the 9.5M in space that GW's contract is taking up (maybe coupled with some picks?) combined with the rest of our roster makes us not only prime trading partners (for players as good or better than Crash) but also a FA destination you have to look at. Hypothetical pipe dream...would you rather have LMA, Matthews and Wallace or LMA, Batum, Deron Williams and Dwight Howard?
     

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