Two Muslims pulled off plane due to passengers feeling "uncomfortable"

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  1. Denny Crane

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    I gave you a rather large example of an entire 5 and 10 cent store chain.

    I gave you the example of inner city schools.

    I lived in Chicago during the 1960s, on the South Side. During those years, there was a huge migration of blacks from the southern states to places like where I lived. For whatever reason, the area was decimated economically, and downtown turned into a ghost town of sorts. Surely those businesses thrived.

    In no way am I blaming the black people that moved there, but the white people who fled to the suburbs and the racist democratic party machine that discriminated against black people and their enterprise and housing opportunities at the very least.

    Downtown may well have had a renaissance in the decades since, but the immediate impact is appropriate to this argument.

    Like I said, the economics of things aren't so simple. Most of the airlines stocks are near or below $10, oil prices are sky high, and regulating more profit out of them makes no sense.
     
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    A chain went out of business therefore integration caused restaurants to close.

    Inner city schools were bad before integration and then bad after, so clearly restaurant owners were driven out of business by integration.

    Man, when you go to prove a case, you don't mess around.

    It really isn't, if what you're arguing is that integration caused white flight which had indirect economic effects on businesses in the area. My point was that people didn't stop going to restaurants because black people were now allowed in. Similarly, people aren't going to stop flying because Muslims are allowed on planes.

    "I have no real evidence that allowing Muslims to fly will hurt airlines economically. But because I think it might, government shouldn't prevent airlines from practicing discrimination."

    I actually never said that government should do that, but since you seem to want to discuss the issue, I do think government should legislate against such prejudice.
     
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    According to wikipedia, Kress went out of business in 1980.

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    According to WikiPedia, Kress was acquired in 1964 and all its stores moved to suburban malls.
     
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    Seriously though, I think this was pretty fucked up and I don't see how anyone could justify it. The men did nothing wrong, so I don't see how the airline is going to get away with it.

    Shit, I wish I had known saying someone makes me uncomfortable gets them thrown off or out of an establishment. Half the people in my classes that annoy me would be gone from PSU! :devilwink:
     
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    Yeah, so? So the new owners decided on a new business strategy. Happens every day.

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    Hard to prove a negative.

    This could all be solved by yet another security checkpoint. One for IQ.
     
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    Lasted another 17 years under the new, less racist management.

    F. W. Woolworth Company had the same racist lunch counters, including a very infamous one:

    Greensboro sit-in

    On February 1, 1960, four black students sat down at a segregated lunch counter in a Greensboro, North Carolina, Woolworth's store. They were refused service, touching off six months of sit-ins and economic boycotts that became a landmark event in the U.S. civil-rights movement. In 1993, an eight-foot section of the lunch counter was moved to the Smithsonian Institution and the store site now contains a civil rights museum, which had its grand opening on Monday, February 1, 2010, the 50th anniversary of the beginning of the sit-ins.


    After a few years of violent stupidity, public demand for racist lunch counters ebbed and by Woolworth’s 100th anniversary in 1979, it had become the largest department store chain in the world, according to the Guinness Book of World Records. After Wal-Mart eventually bought all of it's Canadian stores, it diversified several times and is now in the form of Foot Locker, Inc..
     
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    And we'll keep going through this until you start thinking up some potential solutions to this problem you've apparently got figured out. For someone that pegs my knowledge of the situation as idealistic, you are extremely vague as to what could and should actually be done.
     
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    There were two lunch counters in my neighborhood on the south side. One was in the Woolworth and the other was in the Wallgreens. They were both (lunch counters only) closed entirely by 1968. I don't know about Wallgreens, but Woolworth was a national chain, with stores in Canada too. Unlike Kress.
     
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    Sorry, are you going to give examples of companies that went out of business, and not 15, 20 years later. Or not Wallgreens eliminating their lunch counter, since Wallgreens is around still. It hurt many,for sure, as you said, yet examples you give are inner city schools and a company that lasted until the 80s. Solid!
     
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    The company did not last past 1964, but nice try. It's like saying AT&T is still around - it's a brand name acquired by another company, Cingular. The original AT&T was broken up as a monopoly, and the surviving business went bankrupt and was sold off in pieces.
     
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    but if people refused to go there because they served blacks, even if it was just acquired for the name, how was it in business for another 15 years? With your argument, nobody would acquire it, because nobody would want to go there, and the company would go bankrupt. You gave one lousy example to support a wild claim. good job.
     
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    It was in business in the same sense AT&T was after it was acquired by Cingular. All of it's stores and lunch counters were closed in 1964. The company that bought them out opened new stores under the name, but in The suburban shopping malls.
     
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    So you have no good examples to support your initial claim. Got it.
     
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    I gave several, including schools and downtown Chicago as well .

    Just because you insist on denying the facts doesn't make them less facts.
     
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    Several examples of places that went out of businesses, and your examples are walgreens and woolworths. False. Schools that still exist. And then a place that was bought and moved. So by that poor definition, the Blazers are no longer in business, because they were sold, and moved to the Rose Garden. I am not denying facts at all. You stated something, and have yet to back it up with an example that illustrates your initial point.
     
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    When Kress was bought out, over 200 lunch counters were closed in the south. That's 200 examples. ;)
     
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