Ugh. Cap estimate lowered to 99M for 17-18

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  1. Blazinaway

    Blazinaway Well-Known Member

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    can we have a two tiered GM system? Neil does the draft/trades and someone else does the FA signings
     
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    You guys realize Paul Allen has say right? It's his damn money to begin with if he wants to spend it on luxury tax who really gives a fuck? It's not like miraculously we were going to become a FA playa anytime soon, and all our guys will still be in their prime when those contracts expire.
     
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    But does he want to spend it on luxury tax? The chatter around the Blazers looking to drop salary suggests otherwise, though nothing is certain until we actually see what they do. If he doesn't want to pay luxury taxes, then these contracts hurt a lot if the Blazers want to re-sign any other players--like Nurkic, for example.

    If he's willing to start paying the luxury tax, then yeah, I guess these contracts don't really matter.
     
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    But there is also counter chatter saying fuming salary isn't a priority at this moment. I think the will look to make trades for shorter contracts but it's not the main focus right now.
     
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    Yeah, I wouldn't expect it to be the main focus right now--they have a year, so they don't have to do anything drastic yet. Also, I think it is possible that Allen will start to pay luxury tax, but I don't think it's a given. If the team doesn't do a whole lot next season, I think he'll be very reluctant. If they push through to the Western Conference Finals or something, then I could certainly see him doing it.
     
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    Just because he is the owner, we cant question the money?

    It inhibits our ability to be a long term contender because penalties and fees compound in more than just money restrictions. you know this right? Its not all about the money but the potential to inhibit future roster formings?

    The fact is regardless of IF he wants to spend it, he may not be ABLE to spend it in a year or two if we remain over the cap and get into penalties.
     
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    Yes I'm fully aware that if we are over luxury 3 out of 4 years it compounds. It also isn't assessed until the last day of the regular season. We really don't have to worry till say trade deadline 2020. Sure some preemptive moves would be good but that doesn't mean we have to throw picks away this summer, we have time to be more patient for more favorable deals.
     
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    Shaping up to be a pissed off kinda night
     
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    Being over the tax also:
    • Reduces our MLE
    • Eliminates our BAE
    • Prevents sign-and-trades
    It's not just the eventual financial penalties.
     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Wow, there's a surprise.

    My draft day prediction:

    No matter what happens, Mediocre Man will find some reason to be pissed off and disappointed.

    BNM
     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    No he wasn't. Whiteside was. Unfortunately, we were his second choice.

    Not sure how true it is, but it has been mentioned that once Neil saw Parson's medical records, he told him to take the MEM offer.

    BNM
     
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    Could be? WABC's, guys from the Cuse, trading assets to fix his clusterfuck....any of those would
     
  13. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Doing anything, doing nothing, doing something... any of those would.

    BNM
     
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    Sure, but if we don't start working on it now, we will be fucked. Why wait until the last minute and be strapped with the rest of the GM's knowing this?
    I think the point is if we don't work it now, we lose flexibility and will take it in the ass even more if we wait until the last minute.
    So saying not to worry now maybe be correct, but to be concerned is absolutely valid.
     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Just because their contracts are bad now doesn't mean you give away valuable assets (like 1st round picks in a very deep draft) just to dump their salary. As @Shilly said, you don't have to really worry about the repeater tax kicking in until trade deadline 2020. If any of those guys are still here at that point, they are expiring contracts, which would be much easier to move than they are now with three years left on their bloated contracts.

    Move them if/when it makes sense, but don't panic and sacrifice anything of value now just to dump their contracts.

    BNM
     
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    The whole reason we kept guys like Moe, Meyers, and AC was to "retain assets." We didn't want to lose them for nothing.

    Now we're gonna attach more assets just to get them off our roster? Think this through, guys. It's not gonna happen. It better not happen.
     
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    Thats why theres no way we attach assets to those guys. Only one thats plausible is evan turner, and id be OK with attaching 26 to get rid of him. Crabbe on the other hand does have value.
     
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    Isn't that the baseline?
     
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    It would defeat the purpose of going through the whole ordeal with Varejao if we just dump #26 to get rid of Turner.

    I would not be happy if that happens. His contract sucks, but Neil gave it to him. He made his bed, so he better lie in it without compromising a very valuable (to us) asset in #26.
     

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