You're absolutely right Denny. It's none of our business.... because Ukraine has nothing to offer us. Do they have large oil reserves? No? Yeah, fuck em.
Japan will toughen visa requirements for its Russian visitors! Now they're talking. Russia will certainly give up its southern navy and its numerous military bases in Crimea in order to cushion its tourists in Japan.
The U.S. is grabbing American assets held by the top 11 decision-makers who stole Crimea from the West. Alright! Of course, they don't own any American assets, but U.S. warmongers like to look tough. http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2014/03/russian-deputy-pm-laughs-at-obamas-sanctions/
So they have oil. We should invade and take over? Or what are you suggesting... It's none of our business. They didn't start a war with us when we confiscated Texas and all the oil it had, or California and all the gold it had.
So are you seriously suggesting that we should not do anything because of things that happened over a hundred years ago? Really? Just let the big bad nation beat up on the little guy.
Haiti. We installed the guy of our choice in the Clinton years. It was in our hemisphere. Probably not our business either, but that seems to be what superpowers do.
History tends to repeat itself. I think the US has a get out of this conflict free pass coming. Ukraine is not such a little guy and Russia is no longer the USSR you know..if we don't send troops, we can sell weapons, that's the real lobby in Washington after all (yes I'm being sarcastic here). We aren't clamouring to protect small African nations from big bad guys eh? North Korea shot off 18 short range missles yesterday, do we need to invade them? At some point we need to fix the infrastructure here and stop policing the planet non stop.
I'll be honest, I'm tired of playing world policeman, getting yelled at and hated on for playing world policeman, and then getting yelled at because we're NOT playing world policeman.
This is fucking serious. Turkey is a member of NATO. Russia and Turkey enter hostilities, and we are treaty-bound to send military assets to our ally in support.
The best way to keep Russia out of Ukraine is to crush Russian economic growth. Get rid of the stupid law against exporting our oil and start fracking like crazy with the intent of supplying Western Europe. Also, work with the Saudis to have them increase their output. Unless you stop an agressor when they have vulnerabilities, you get history repeating itself.
So the question debated here is who the "you" should be? Maybe the Ukranians? Their allies or neighbors? The Turks? The Chinese? Why does it always have to be the United States?
I really dislike ruining our environment for gathering fossil fuels, but I agree with your premise. The best way to cripple Russia is through their economy. It will hurt Americans that are not in the Fossil Fuel industry all across the board though. But that is better than lives lost.
As long as the US wants to have the most important voice in the world, we have to take responsibility for these things. If you are content with a Canada or a Sweden kind of role, we can stop being the world police.
Because we're the only nation on earth both strong enough to stop this kind of agression while also being moral enough to want nothing in return except for the freedom of the Ukrainian people. It's the price one pays for being rich and free. Without the United States, the world is run by despots.
I have very mixed emotions about embracing Nationalism and a seeming re-emergence of the cold war, having been but a child when the USSR collapsed. I can almost understand how "Red Dawn" was taken seriously.
Much of the rest of the world does not see our morals as Right. So we end up forcing what we think is Right on them and they resent it. Thus we should really let them determine their own fates, and that involves letting countries vote to join the Russian Federation (or whatever it's called these days).
The "vote" was proven heavily tampered with. I agree that we should stop forcing what we think is right, but we should help stop what we know is wrong.
I posted already that our response should have been to have the UN go in and monitor the vote. How could Putin refuse? It would have been a Putin-like move, in fact. A real coup for our side.
