Politics Ukraine / Russia

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  1. Phatguysrule

    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    Nobody has any interest in that war. Nobody has any interest in nuclear war.

    It's definitely something we should be prepared for, But there's really no reason to push hard enough that it comes to that.

    Soft support of Ukraine will bleed Russia dry. It sucks that Russia is forcing Ukraine to suffer this much. But the only other option for Russia would be to somehow become trustworthy and get the US and the rest of Europe to help them... And I don't think that's even a possibility as long as Putin's in power.
     
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    Hoopguru Well-Known Member

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    I hope Kamala will be able to help them negotiate a resolve.
     
  3. crandc

    crandc Well-Known Member

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    There can be no negotiation while Russia occupies.

    Congressional Republicans actually wanting to investigate cost of providing security for President Zelensky. Rock bottom.
     
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  4. Hoopguru

    Hoopguru Well-Known Member

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    Im not that optimistic that Putin would pull his troops out including Crimea as a basis for negotiation. So if he doesn't pull them out, it's going to take one hell of an offensive to push him out. I think he plays the attrition card right along with Ukraine & NATO. He's needs to be taken out one way or another or this war will last way to long.
     
  5. Phatguysrule

    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    This war has already lasted far too long. It is going to last a lot longer.

    It breaks my heart to say it, but that's what it's going to take. Lean into it Ukraine. You're going to have to break Russia's will.
     
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    Huh? I don't even know what this is supposed to mean.

    But at least people in the 60's understood the threat. The country understood the danger they were in, during the Cuban Missile Crisis. But we came just as close to Armegeddeon a couple weeks ago, and in our "Information"(disinformation) age, most Americans had no clue.

    Perhaps it's nice for those who might be taken out immediately. That's the best way to go,in the blast.

    I will be meeting up with you folks in the afterlife though, to get my "I told you so" in...

    But if people understood the danger, it would influence who they vote for. And right now there is only one candidate talking about ending the conflict peacefully.
     
  7. beast blazer

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    I bet many Ukrainians wish that as well. They would if they have any sense. Russia has vastly expanded the size of the army, and Ukraine is kidnapping people off the street to serve.

    Yet some thing more weapons is going to somehow turn the tide? Nope. NATO would have to up the anty considerably to have an hope of defeating Russia. And doing so means nuclear war.

    It's a no win situation.
     
  8. UncleCliffy'sDaddy

    UncleCliffy'sDaddy We're all Bozos on this bus.

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    Yeah, the guy who talks, talks, talks and always has a concept of a plan. But have you ever seen an actual plan from him??? Has he ever followed through on all his verbal vomit? How's that wall coming along? Has Mexico paid for it yet? Where is that replacement health care plan?? I'd sure love to be the guy selling you a used car......
     
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  9. beast blazer

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    The money the US gives to Ukraine is in the form of a "loan". Not one that will ever be paid back. But the loan has stipulations: one being that Ukraine has to put it's farm land up for sale. Ukraine's farmland is some of the best in the world.

    30% of it has already been purchased. By Monsanto and DuPont (both owned by Blackrock).

    Neat trick aye? Could that be why Biden sent Boris Johnson to tear up the peace deal?

    Blackrock owned companies are also making a lot from the military equipment, and they are also getting the contracts to rebuild.

    The Democrats and the left used to be the ones that would call stuff like this out? Now they cheer lead it. What happened?
     
  10. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    As long as Puerto Rico is the 51st, I think Ukraine would make a great 52nd state.
     
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    Down a cup of Glyphosate, it's safe enough to drink.
     
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    50% of Ukrainian agricultural land now owned by Western corporations like Blackrock. That’s more acreage than Russia has taken, by the way.
    Russia invades from the east while Zelensky openly invites an invasion from the west for financial gain. When the dust settles and people there realize what’s been done they’ll probably hang the little creep. Of course, by then he’ll have scurried off to one if his estates in London or France. Wonder why he’s so aggressively pursuing legislation allowing dual citizenship? IMG_5524.jpeg
     
  13. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Oh my god, Zelensky is allowing CAPITALISM to thrive in Ukraine! We must stop this before it reaches America!

    barfo
     
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    Partisans will defend absolutely anything as long as the right suits tell them to.
     
  15. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    It's interesting that neither one of you provided an actual link to this.

    A simple google search found the truth.

    • Ukraine’s parliament has never allowed foreigners to buy agricultural land. That right is reserved solely for Ukrainian citizens and companies owned fully by Ukranians;
    • The investment company BlackRock was invited by the Ukrainian government to participate in the creation of a fund for the future rebuilding of the country after the war. The company has no right to purchase agricultural land in Ukraine;
    https://sofiaglobe.com/2023/11/06/politicheck-gmos-ukraine-and-us-owned-land/
     
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  16. Phatguysrule

    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    It's interesting that you don't provide a link to this "Google" you claim to have searched...
     
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  17. jonnyboy

    jonnyboy Well-Known Member

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    Don’t be naive, you know there are workarounds. Foreign entities are allowed to have stakes in anything or leverage debt against assets. You think a country as corrupt as Ukraine is any exception? You can make a clean sounding proclamation like “Foreigners cannot buy Ukrainian land” but we both know that’s a fairytale.
    https://reliefweb.int/report/ukraine/war-and-theft-takeover-ukraines-agricultural-land
    • One year into the war, a new report reveals how oligarchs and financial interests are expanding control over Ukraine’s agricultural land with help and financing from Western financial institutions.

    • Aid provided to Ukraine in recent years has been tied to a drastic structural adjustment program requiring the creation of a land market through a law that leads to greater concentration of land in the hands of powerful interests.

    • Ukraine’s crippling debt is being leveraged by financial institutions to drive post-war reconstruction towards further privatization and liberalization in several sectors, including agriculture.

    • Ukrainian civil society, academics, and farmers are demanding the suspension of the land law and of all land transactions; and calling for an agricultural model no longer dominated by oligarchy and corruption.
     
  18. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    That's different than the 30% and 50% Beast and you claim are foreign owned.

    But at least you finally googled something.
     
  19. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    That's a pretty weak rejoinder. No 'suits' told me your post was silly. I'm not even sure where I'd go to find a 'suit' that reads your posts.

    barfo
     
  20. jonnyboy

    jonnyboy Well-Known Member

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    You just happen to share every foreign policy opinion with the State Department. It’s fine, coincidental. Great minds ya know.
     

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