Politics Under Sanders, income and jobs would soar, economist says

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  1. riverman

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    Jay Leno alone skews those stats...I know plenty of one car owners and you can see others with 12 in the driveway..cars are popular here...MRT lines haven't taken over yet
     
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    heh, yeah DVISS and others will be quite surprised to find out how much they will be getting raped if this guy took office. 2.2% here for healthcare, extra %'s for Free College, etc. it doesn't end with this fucking twat. Everyone's hard earned money needs to go straight to the dip shits that don't deserve it, all in the name of 'fairness', er I mean 'democratic socialism".
     
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    That's your justification for the top 1% owning 35% of America. And if that doesn't work, you'll quibble whether it's 36%. Hokay.
     
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    I already responded. You can't handle the truth.

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    Your tax + health insurance will reduce. You're supposed to compare the combined total, not just the tax.
     
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    I simply am not jealous of anyone who makes more than me. I don't care if the top 1% owns 99% of america as long as the remaining 99% can buy homes and cars and live good lives. Half the people make over $50K. The $50K figure matters a whole lot while the "make a lot of heat no light out of 1%" means nothing.

    Let me put it another way. Would you rather everyone made $10K so it's equal, or the top 1% make gazillions and all the rest make $20K? Apparently you aren't happy that the people are making 2x as much.
     
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    How can anyone afford a car, since the top 1% own everything?
     
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    The top 1% wouldn't have anything to do with my 1988 Dodge Ram 50 truck Denny...or my neighbors 1987 Camry but go ahead and sign me up for the fortune 500 club...they're going to love me
     
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    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...ch-would-bernie-sanders-health-care-plan-cos/

    As far as we can tell, Sanders’ plan has not yet been analyzed by independent think tanks or academics. So we ran back-of-the-envelope estimates for revenue from Sanders’ health care taxes using2013 tax return data from the Internal Revenue Service.

    By our napkin calculations, those making more than $200,000 — roughly the top 5 percent of income earners — would contribute about $117 billion to the single-payer system, while everyone else would pay in $126 billion. Payroll taxes yield an additional $432 billion for a total of $675 billion.

    That’s still $599 billion short of what the country actually spent on health care in 2013
     
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    Smack DOWN.
     
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    Poor effort. If you really want to justify the top 1% owning 35%, you need to show that the nation's efficiency, the collective incentive to work, would diminish with more equality. To the contrary, with more reward to the poor, the poor's incentive to work would increase. In fact, the rich dividend collectors would see their incentive increase, too, to actually earn some money. The economy would become more efficient in all economic strata, the poor and the rich.
     
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    My question was rhetorical. If you want a newer truck, I bet you could go get one. The top 1% aren't preventing you from living your life.
     
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    You can "figure" all you want, but figures lie and liars figure.

    It's clear that people are owning their homes, so the top 1% owning 35% or 99% doesn't mean shit.
     
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    Current tax law gives NOBODY breaks. All it does it TAKE money from people.
     
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    I have a 9 year old son. I will gladly pay more in taxes so he can go to college tuition free therefore NOT graduating 100K in debt.
     
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    You're absolutely right...my value system is built from necessity and I'm a very frugal guy. I love the life I've chosen but I'm not money driven...that's a choice. There is a cap on retirement funds and I've stuck with it...hasn't made me wealthy but it'll cover the big bills in my senior years.
     
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    Excellent, you just decided that Bernie is right. Since the U.S. spends $2.6 trillion per year on health care

    http://www.aetna.com/health-reform-connection/aetnas-vision/facts-about-costs.html

    and you say that all but $599 billion will be covered, that means that Bernie's plan will cover $2T. You admit that the taxpayer and employer cost will only
    total $0.675T. Therefore, Bernie's health insurance program will save us 2 - .675= $1.325T.
     
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    I think since he's just 9....you should invest in his academic success now...it paid off for me..my son got an academic scholarship from OSU on his achievements and grades alone...just had to buy books, pay some fees and work part time. You don't have to go into debt to get him through school if you get him ahead of the curve early on
     
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    Now you're babbling.

    Bernie's plan is $.6T short EVERY year and not paid for.

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...ch-would-bernie-sanders-health-care-plan-cos/

    Even if we set aside the issue of a potentially unbalanced ledger, experts point out several other problems with Sanders’ simple promise of savings.

    First, it’s not guaranteed that workers will have the same quality or amount of care under a Medicare-for-all system.

    Most employer-based health insurance policies currently have more comprehensive coverage than traditional Medicare, pointed out William Hsiao, a leading health economist at Harvard University who designed universal coverage systems for Vermont, China, Sweden, and South Africa, to name a few.

    While Sanders argues that single-payer will make the health system more efficient, "we have seen no evidence of this from the Medicare program, whose cost has grown substantially faster than the economy for most of the last 50 years," Antos said.

    Second, reduced costs could also create issues with access. Lower drug prices limit funding for research and development, lower physicians’ salaries disincentivize people going into medicine, lower fees could bankrupt hospitals, and people would have less choice in health plans, listed Hussey.

    And finally, experts expressed skepticism that lawmakers would ever pass Sanders’ single-payer system, which would require a tax increase of hundreds of billions.

    "Keep in mind each dollar saved is a reduction in someone’s income, which is part of why this plan is politically untenable," said Don Taylor, a professor of health policy at Duke University. "But if you could wave your hand and do it, we could spend less."

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