Unions, America's Backbone

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  1. MARIS61

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  2. MickZagger

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    I work with a lot of people with Bachelor degrees and its not hard to understand why they stayed with the union labor. High wages, zero out of pocket medical dental, accumulate lots of vacations, virtually no worry about losing your job, ridiculously good pension. I'm so glad that I never racked up any student loans. We make more than a lot of people with degrees and have great benefits. I can understand the hate. But don't hate the player, hate the game.
     
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    That's one of my biggest reasons for concern as it relates to unions. Oh, and the dues that go to veritable schmucks. ;)
     
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    Again, this proves my point.

    If somebody is actually confident in their intelligence, work ethic, self-motivation, productivity, etc, etc, they would not join a union. By joining a union, you are by definition, admitting that you should be valued at the same level as everybody else in the group. Thus, you're desiring to be valued as average with respect to the union. You're proud to strive for average and not give yourself real opportunity for true success.

    Your group is a self selection of people that know they'll be treated as average, regardless of performance, which leads to an overall lower level of group performance.

    I always giggle when you say this, as if making $60k / year is something that would make me jealous.
     
  5. The_Lillard_King

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    I don't hate the player or the game. In fact I think UPS workers earn everything they get and thank god they have a union . . . whose work isn't done yet (May 2011 article):

    Joe Korziuk has spent 23 years working for U.P.S. washing trucks, delivering packages and driving tractor trailers. Though he loves the job, it has a downside: At 45, he has had surgery on both knees and a shoulder, developed bulging disks in his back and sustained a concussion when boxes fell on him.

    “They turn a blind eye until something happens," said Bernie Jayne, a U.P.S. driver, speaking of the company’s supervisors.

    “It’s fear and shame; it’s like third grade," said Anthony Prince, a Teamsters lawyer, speaking of U.P.S.’s safety programs.
    “It’s a direct result of the job,” Mr. Korziuk said. “They’re always harping on you and pushing you to go faster and faster.”

    Mr. Korziuk was among about 1,200 members of Teamsters Local 705 representing several hubs in the Chicago area who began a campaign last week demanding that U.P.S. reduce workloads and change what the union calls a “blame the worker” approach to health and safety. On April 28, Teamsters nationwide wore stickers reading “Unfair Production Standards,” a play on the name U.P.S.


    Employees said they were pressured to increase productivity while at the same time they were pushed to reduce injuries, a combination that workers claim leads many of them to avoid reporting injuries. Workers and union officials said the health and safety issues at U.P.S. affected tens of thousands of employees. They also said the issues symbolized larger trends in many workplaces where people were pressured to work longer and harder, resulting in more physical effects, even as long-term job security and health care access had become more precarious.


    I don't understand why people think unions are bad but corporation, who will exploit workers if given the chance, are OK. What is wrong with employees banning together to make sure they are treated fairly. It's not like the companies are at the union's mercy. They have high powered lawyers looking out for their best interest just like unions do.

    Blue collar workers, in my eyes, are the heros of our society.
     
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    What does that mean?
     
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    That they do all the dirty work that is needed without getting any recognition. They give their life blood to these businesses and the business would not be successful without these people busting their ass every day.

    I think many businesses have people behind the scenes that make sure the company is running smoothly, yet it is the CEOs CFOs and the like that get the recognition and compensation. I consider people who are dedicated and do their work day in and day out, at times sacraficing their own health to get the job done, without being recognized for what they do, to be the heros.
     
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    What about the CEOs and founders that were responsible for actually starting these companies and creating the jobs for the the blue collar workers? I guess I don't understand why receiving less recognition makes somebody more of a hero.
     
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    I guess it comes down to whatever one's definition of hero is. I tend to think a hero is that person who does good but doesn't get the recognition for it.

    But yes, people that start companies that hire many employees are certainly helping society. They get recognition and compensation, but they too had to take risks and devote their life to making a company successful and can be considered heros. I tend to give that distinction to the ones that don't get recognized, but I don't have any hard and fast rule and think many people could fall under that category.

    My point with union workers is that they are doing very hard and important work, but one doesn't think of them when they think about the success of a company . . . so i consider them the heros behind the scene or the heros of society. Just a phrase . . . that I'm sure could be debated by those that disagree.
     
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    $60k? Higher. Good guess though
     
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    Irrelevant. Even if it is 2-3x higher, it isn't impressive or envy-evoking.
     
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    Then why do you waste so much time thinking about and hating unions?
     
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    Are you claiming it is strange for people to think about or have an opinion on something that doesn't make them envious?
     
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    When people hate on something that has nothing to do with them, I think there's some underlying issues.
     
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    His low self-esteem is obvious, but it may not be directly related to his income.
     
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    Without unions we'd still be a third world country.
     
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    You still lose your job if you screw up. They just have to treat you fairly and with respect, using the rules equally. So yeah, you have virtually no worry about losing your job as long as you are doing it. I have seen plenty of Union members lose their jobs over the years. The difference is that those members deserved it and the company went through the proper steps. This also protects the company from frivolous lawsuits from these terminated workers.
     
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    I hope there are lots of things that you dislike or disagree with which have nothing to do with you.
     
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    Nope.
     
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