Unions, America's Backbone

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  1. jlprk

    jlprk The ESPN mod is insane.

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    jlprk The ESPN mod is insane.

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    Mall shooter?

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  4. jlprk

    jlprk The ESPN mod is insane.

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    Hey Sly, how much do you make?

    Hey Denny, how much do you make?

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    ...what's cookin'?
     
  5. DaLincolnJones

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    Industry: Bakery
    Median Salary by Job Job National Salary Data (?
    XAll compensation data shown are the gross, national median (50th percentile). Pay can vary greatly by location. To view local data, take the PayScale survey.
    ) $0 $23K $46K $69K
    Pastry Chef $33,381
    Baker $30,037
    Production Supervisor $43,325
    Production Supervisor, Manufacturing $54,429
    Bakery Manager $36,597
    General Manager, Restaurant $40,069
    Production Manager, Manufacturing $68,483
    Country: United States | Currency: USD | Updated: 7 Dec 2012 | Individuals Reporting: 600

    pay attention to three things, this is an overall view, hostess was "production" wages, wages do not include benifits, and last, none of these pay scales look line min wage McDonalds jobs as you claimed...
     
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    So you are in favor of gov't spending to protect employees rights. Nice to see mags. :)

    And workers should join together to negotiate salaries and perks . . . or do you leave that all to the corporations to decide. Because those corporations, every now and then, will take advantage of their workers.
     
  7. DaLincolnJones

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    I know you are kidding now,"escape a rotten employer" lol

    oh, and to be straight, its more like 18500 employees that are hurt by this situation.
     
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    So, your proof of $50/hour pay is a national survey that may or may not include Hostess workers that has no salaries that are near $50/hour? Anyways, this is just one quote, from one worker, but maybe this is why they said enough is enough and refused the latest offer.

    http://money.cnn.com/2012/11/16/news/companies/hostess-workers/index.html
     
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    I think the government should spend money in regulations of the physical and emotional "well-being" of it's citizens. I think the business or corporations should make their rules, in the confines of keeping legal, and the employees choose to either accept these rules and work with the company or choose to leave that business and find something they feel more comfortable working in.

    What I don't like is when a union that could vote in favor 51% over 49% that they strike; without any real government interaction or regulation. They are at a point now where they are almost above the law. So the 49% that disagreed and are fine with the conditions pay the price because 51% of the forced union employment trade told them too?
     
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    naw just a fast reference to wage scale of union bakerys vs McDonalds. jprk enjoys yanking things out of thin air at times...

    recieving clerk would be under a different union..if i remember there were three unions that Hostess had to contend with, and the one that broke its back was the bakers union. Teir pay scale that was in place was higher..I could look it up ,but dont really think I need to..
     
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    Nope, he was part of the bakers union (at least according to the article). But regardless, it shows the types of concessions that would have been required if they accepted the deal. It also shows that they've been conceding ALOT already. At some point it isn't worth it to work. Why work for 25k for a company that has cut your salary nearly 50% in 7 years.
     
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    Fuck no. I don't read conservative blogs. It was a news piece from one or two of the bigger news sites, mns.com, or something. Looking back, it wasn't an average of everyone. But it included people who were on the actual floor where Twinkies were being made.
     
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    Well why would a business owner lose money for 5 years in order to keep the business open? They do it because the hope that eventually the business will recover and eventually show profit. These union members could work for less; with some clause that a raise is in order after the company has a turn around. Maybe even have some sort of abritrator that can make sure the company is doing everything in its power to stay open.

    Maybe Hostess was a dead company anyway. That's fine.... But there are good companies out there that are handcuffed by corrupt unions. It goes both ways. Whatever the case, the companies are employing and the workers are the cogs. Something must change for the machine to work cause most of these unions are running the machine to the ground.
     
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    Examples?

    Way to show how not to pull things out of the air.

    I keep seeing the word "manager" or "supervisor" which is the opposite of a union job. These job titles aren't related to what we're talking about.
     
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    [video=youtube;aF4CWCXirZ8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aF4CWCXirZ8[/video]
     
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    lol at jlprk trying to spin this as a good thing for the easily replaceable union workers.
     
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