US to Deport a Family of Eight?

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  1. maxiep

    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    LOL. God, you believe every bullshit statistic that comes from this Administration. You understand that they changed the definition of "deported" to people refused entry at the border, right?
     
  2. oldguy

    oldguy Well-Known Member

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    Tough sell. You ever heard Spanish with a German accent?

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  3. bodyman5000 and 1

    bodyman5000 and 1 Lions, Tigers, Me, Bears

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    I changed the definition of murder to those turned away at the border. Obama has killed untold thousands of Mexicans. Where is the outrage?
     
  4. Further

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    I don't know the legal path or reasonings of this case, but just on the sniff test, this doesn't smell like persecution. Just like the example crandc gave from the opposite side of the spectrum, we would not expect asylum to be granted to a gay couple who only weren't permitted to get married (assuming there weren't jail or physical harm that could result from being gay.) regardless of left or right, asylum is typically reserved for people being punished for their views, not simply required to peaceably exist under the same rules as everyone else. Of course, we could splitt hairs with a bunch of what ifs, but as I understand it, requiring kids participate in the education system dosent seem to meet the criteria of persecution.

    My remarks were not flippant. You demonstrated that we provide some basic help to illegals, not that we welcome with open arms. But this may be a matter of semantics. What I see as basic methods to make sure people are treated humanly, that we don't have 12million illegals sick and destitute, needing to turn to crime to get their basic needs met, you see as open arms.

    But then again Jesus never have wanted us to take care of the sick and destitute, the homeless and exhausted.
     
  5. oldguy

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    I see that the government has decided not to deport the Romeike's. Good on them for being consistent, at least.

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  6. oldguy

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    I used the phase 'targeted for deportation' because that's what one of the articles I read indicated:

    Seems pretty indigenous to make it sound like the government is cracking down on illegal immigrants, as if the government is shipping out every day illegals in high numbers. That's not what is happening. ICE targets criminals, re-entrants, and turning back people as they try to enter the US. The Romeikes were none of those.

    They are NOT deporting illegal immigrants who made it into the country and aren't criminals in ANY numbers. The Romeikes were here for years.

    We'll have to agree to disagree if you can't see the double standard in that.

    As to protests against that minimal ICE enforcement? Yeah, I'm just shocked that there are "big protests" about deporting illegals. There are 12 million illegally here. (Lol) I wonder why lots of illegal immigrants would be willing to take part in "big protests" against deporting illegal immigrants? Are you familiar with the term 'vested interest'?

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  7. oldguy

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    Yeah, seems like open arms to me. In Oregon, the police don't ask if they are here legally. Until a couple years ago, the DMV was issuing drivers licenses to illegals. They are not only accepted in school, but they are not to be left behind, even if they don't understand the language. School districts make accommodations for the language barrier. Children of illegals are given a free education. There are a ton of government and private services set up for them. In-state tuition, for goodness sake! That's not open arms? Always working toward a bill to provide a path to legality, if not citizenship.

    I don't get the crappy wages position. Lot's of legal citizens work for crappy wages. Having 12 million additional people competing against them for those crappy wage jobs is a problem for them.

    I work in construction. There are a LOT of illegals working on taxpayer funded public projects. Landscapers, concrete finishers, pavers, drywallers, fence builders, roofers. All high paying PWR jobs that should be going to legal Oregon families.

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    The correct decision. Same way I feel about other illegal families in this country. Why did Further and crandc argue against this obvious slam dunk decision?
     
  9. crandc

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    No, I don't believe bullshit statistics that come from this or any other administration.
    My citations on deportation come from immigrant rights groups.
    And I don't believe in god either.
     
  10. BLAZER PROPHET

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    Yet you seemingly pray to Obama....
     
  11. crandc

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    Don't know where you got that from. I didn't even vote for him and I don't pray to anyone.

    Well, maybe my cats, they think they are divine.
     
  12. maxiep

    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    Statistics from "lmmigrant rights groups". LOL.

    You don't even realize how unintentionally hilarious you are.
     
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    Nice to see you have a sense of humor.
     
  14. crandc

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    Obviously I should get them from some blogger, or Bill O'Reilly, or what?

    First it's bad that I use Administration stats even though I didn't, then I say no that's not where I got them and that's bad too. I guess maxie is just hard to satisfy. Maybe if I said Obama is the antiChrist and bigots are the real victims and poor George Zimmerman?
    Nah.

    At any rate, not the issue. The issue is that this family was not targeted. They applied for asylum, ruled they did not meet criteria. But facts...
     
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    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    If they were fleeing religious persecution, they'd be in though.
     
  16. maxiep

    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    Nice strawmen. Or, so you don't get your bloomers in a bunch, strawwymen.
     
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    bodyman5000 and 1 Lions, Tigers, Me, Bears

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    BlazerCaravan Hug a Bigot... to Death

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    Clearly you've never been to Argentina.
     
  19. oldguy

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    No, I haven't. Good point. I have heard Arnie say 'hasta la vista, baby' though.

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  20. crandc

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    Agree. But they were only subject to the same laws as everyone else in Germany. I have no problem whatsoever with extending asylum to those fleeing genuine religious persecution (which does not mean selling flowers to a lesbian couple).
     

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